tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 1, 2018 12:38:33 GMT
Here is the second letter. Franced with 20x 200 milionen stamps. Sent from Ravensburg 7 november 1923 to Shaffenhausen, Switzerland. Frontside  backside  |
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 1, 2018 17:23:02 GMT
I have followed this tread for a while, it's interesting. I happen to have two "rosetten" covers. They both have stamps on front and backside, but one of them are not cancelled on the backside. I have no idea if they are fake or real? Here is the first. Franked with 20! 2 Milliarden stamps. Sent on 18 november 1923 from Freiburg to Shaffenhausen, Switzerland?   This one is correctly franked for a 20g. foreign letter. Sometimes the backside didn't get canceled (or the posted office just marked them out with crayon), so the cover is real. Not sure why someone wrote that blue "Inflationszeit." on it, certainly doesn't belong there! These appear to be the rotary press printings of the 326 though! |
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 1, 2018 17:26:10 GMT
Here is the second letter. Franced with 20x 200 milionen stamps. Sent from Ravensburg 7 november 1923 to Shaffenhausen, Switzerland. Frontside backside
This cover is also correctly franked for a 20g. foreign letter. It's just 1 period prior to your last letter. The rate went up 10times between the 2 periods. I like this cover as it show a shifted value, not rare but not common either! These are 323 flat plate printings.
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on Aug 1, 2018 17:42:33 GMT
Thanks a lot William.
I think I might include them in my German collection when I reorganize it.
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 1, 2018 21:10:26 GMT
I really enjoy working with these rosetten stamps, that is why over the last 15 years, I have specialized in them. Here is an item that hit my mail box today (a recent eBay purchase from one of my favorite sellers).
It is a registered foreign letter to Denmark, properly franked (80 Milliarden for 20.gr letter and 20 Milliarden for the registration fee). This has several nice blocks of the 325B (rouletted stamp) on the backside. 1 block of 20 and 1 block of 10. The complete HAN number is there, but covered by stamps. What makes this really special is that position 98 of the 325B is there and it is a KT type of the PE1 plate flaw! These are very hard to find in mint condition, let alone used AND on cover!!   |
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 2, 2018 0:31:08 GMT
Another part of the fun is researching the covers. I have a few covers that I was able to track down some history. Below is an example;
This was sent on a personalized envelope from Walter Levi. Walter was born 20 Sep 1899 and died aprx 8 Dec 1941. Walter and his whole family (wife Hanna and their 6 children) were victims of the Holocaust, died in the Ghetto Riga-Jungferhof, Latvia during the Rumbula massacre.
In front of the address on this envelope, the City placed memorial stones (Stolperstein) for the family;
The cover is also postmarked with a Stuttgart Bahnhof cancel, which came from a train station post office annex. Not a very common postmark.
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 3, 2018 1:40:41 GMT
Today's addition is a combination cover, which takes a little time to figure out. Mailed on the 12th of Oct 1923, during postal period 20, this breaks down as such; 100gr. Inland Letter (7 Mil), +registered (5 Mil), +express (10 Mil), +insured (800 Th), all adding up to the franking of 22.8 Million Marks, the correct amount required. The bottom left 1 Mil stamp (Mi 314AP) also contains an HT type plate flaw.
Insured mail were sealed on the back with wax seals, most have crumbled off through time (at least on the few examples of insured mail I have in my collection), but this cover has seals intact!
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 8, 2018 22:22:17 GMT
For today's post, I have a 20gr. Inland Letter + registration fee. This is franked with a pair of Mi# 313, 500,000Th Mark stamps also marked Gebuhr Bezahlt (9,000) to make up the remaining postage required.   |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Aug 13, 2018 20:51:59 GMT
I really enjoy working with these rosetten stamps, that is why over the last 15 years, I have specialized in them. Here is an item that hit my mail box today (a recent eBay purchase from one of my favorite sellers).
It is a registered foreign letter to Denmark, properly franked (80 Milliarden for 20.gr letter and 20 Milliarden for the registration fee). William, I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for starting this thread, and doing such a nice job with it. I have been wondering if there has been some way in which I could contribute to this interesting discussion, especially given the fact that my collection is not with me, so I have no access to my stamps from this period. Well, the truth is that even if I had access to my stamps, it is unlikely that I would have anything of interest, unless there was a hidden gem lurking among all of the common stuff. And I have lots of the common material! But then I got to thinking: look at the address on your prized cover to Denmark. It is in Copenhagen, where I am right now. So, I could go to that address, and just for the sake of the "human interest" story, I can see what is there now. So, that is exactly what I did! The address: "2 Holmens Kanal" around Denmark seems more usually expressed as "Holmens Kanal 2". Below is a photo of the address plate showing that numbers 2 through 18 Holmens Kanal are all included in this same place.  The next shot is then a view of the entire building, which in fact, seems to be two separate buildings that have been joined together.  To complete the "where are they now" aspect of this vital philatelic research, below is the photo which shows that, in fact, even 95 years after your letter was mailed to this very address, that address still corresponds to a bank. Today, it is the Danske Bank (Danish Bank) rather than the Copenhagen's Handelsbank, but it is still a bank. In addition, I would add that although the building may not look especially glamorous or anything, it seems to be very well maintained, and it is in the heart of what appears to be Copenhagen's financial district, as there were other banks and financial institution buildings in the area.  |
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 13, 2018 22:25:31 GMT
Awesome! Many thanks for the current pictures. The back stories of the covers are just as important. I also have a lot of common covers (probably 95% of any collection is common) in my collection. It is always fun to be able to research the material in collections!!
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 13, 2018 22:29:56 GMT
For today, I add the following inland postcard, properly franked with a 500 Million stamp that also includes the upper margin (position # 9 from a sheet). Upper margins are not common to find on covers and this is a rotary press printing as well, less common then a flat plate printing.
What also makes this nice is that it has advertising graphics on it as well. A nice decorative piece.
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 14, 2018 19:54:44 GMT
Here is a small group of covers that I put together. These are from the same person and to the same person in Milan, Italy. They are from 4 different postal periods. Tried to research the people involved, but haven't gotten very far. I did manage to pick up 4 other covers, but all earlier in the Inflation period, outside of the rosetten stamps!
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 15, 2018 0:50:08 GMT
I thought that I'd post this pic. It is a complete "Reichsdruckerie" issued packet of 20 full sheets. These are the 1 Million Mark rotary press printing still wrapped unused with original issue envelope! 2000 Million Marks!! At a time when inflation was growing rapidly, who would buy them and then not use them!?!
This packet contains 10xPFII flaw (out of 2000 stamps); "Beich" ILO "Reich".
I have 2 other complete issued packets of earlier Inflation stamps, both of these have 100 full sheets in them (broken down into 5 packets of 20 sheets wrapped/enveloped, then 5 packets wrapped in a bigger envelope). The first is the 400Th on 15pfg (Mi# 297) and the other is a 2Mil on 200Mk rotary press (Mi# 309W).
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 18, 2018 2:14:51 GMT
So what do you do with all those "useless" inflation stamps? Well, in 1933, you use them to decorate your envelope with!! At this point, could they be classed as a "Cinderella"?  |
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Post by wgthomus on Aug 25, 2018 22:32:47 GMT
This is a nice cover. A 20gr. Inland Letter plus COD. It was returned to sender unclaimed. I've seen another cover just like this on a German forum. This was mailed on the last day of the postal period and contains a single 500,000 Mark stamp, which is an uncommon enough stamp used during the high inflation period!
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Post by brightonpete on Sept 30, 2018 18:50:20 GMT
I'm sure you have seen the interesting cover up for auction in this week's edition of Linn's, wgthomus ! The stamps on this 1923 German inflation cover total 4.7 billion marks, including 35 examples of the rouletted 20-million-mark ultramarine flat-plate stamp with roulette separations plus eight of the 1923 500-million-mark olive green rotary press stamp. I can't imagine having to pay that much for one letter. I imagine it is looking somewhat similar in Venezuela these days! |
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Post by wgthomus on Oct 2, 2018 6:53:00 GMT
I haven't actually. I don't get Linn's Weekly. What auction house has it? Looks to be insured mail.
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Post by Ryan on Oct 2, 2018 8:33:04 GMT
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Post by brightonpete on Oct 2, 2018 12:26:44 GMT
Lot #124 in the auction. Starting bid: $2,900US!!
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Post by wgthomus on Oct 3, 2018 2:27:00 GMT
A very nice cover indeed. Mass frankings of rouletted stamps are hard to come by. These were very unpopular with the population as they tended to tear easily when trying to separate them, so they didn't get used very much.
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Post by wgthomus on Oct 3, 2018 2:33:10 GMT
The rarest mass franking cover in my collection is as follows;
   This has 39 copies of the 318 B (2 are the HT variety), not as rare as the 319 B, but certainly very hard to find on cover in large quantities! Some flaws as noted, 1 stamp almost all gone and cover is missing the express label, still a nice piece! |
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Post by wgthomus on Jan 28, 2023 1:42:45 GMT
I have not really added anything new to my cover collection, but, I was able to add this gem to my collection! I negotiated a deal for its purchase after it did not sell on eBay. With a little research, I deemed it genuine and sent it off to Germany. This is a pretty rare usage for this issue (330B) and even more so as a single on a foreign cover.
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Post by eggdog on Jan 28, 2023 5:29:51 GMT
I just saw this thread and it's fascinating. I thought I was cool because I have some postally used inflato-stamps, but I've absolutely never seen anything like these covers before - that is, I've never really seen these unhappy stamps in action. It's a revelation, and a stark visual reminder of how traumatic that period was in so many ways.
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