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Post by khj on Jun 7, 2020 21:12:19 GMT
It is North China regional. Not sure how SG has things divided, but it is a PRC overprint, not ROC overprint. Have you already looked in the PRC regional listings?
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Post by khj on Jun 7, 2020 21:20:56 GMT
I can find the basic $44 stamp in 1946 Northern provinces but not with this overprint . Can anyone help? as a stamp the catalogue value SG 35 is £100: but is this postal or revenue ? In the Scott catalog, it is North China Liberation Area (PRC) #3L73(Aug1949). EDIT: In SG Stamps of the World, it is North China People's Post NC338(1949)
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 7, 2020 21:55:54 GMT
Got it sir many thanks , sadly listed at a mere £2 instead of the basic $44 at £100.
Ah well, now to figure out how to invisibly remove an overprint 😄😄😄😄😄
Joking 🤭 in case anyone thinks I might be serious
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 10, 2020 12:11:41 GMT
more stamps from NE China Peoples post, they differ from the regular PRC issues of 1949-1950 by the addition of 4 characters in the background. My catalogue states " reprints exist but the differences are very small" . So must I assume these are reprints ? or would anyone be able to tell ? The originals have High Catalogue value
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Post by salentin on Jun 10, 2020 13:06:43 GMT
First and second prints differ by the same characteristics as the corresponding issues of PRC.
The upper left stamp (peoples conference) is a reprint. For the others I cannot say for sure,as the picture is not sufficiently large and clear. The lower left three (trade unions) are likely to be reprints. The $ 20.000 (sino-soviet friendship),if on white paper,should be a reprint. Of the $ 2500 definitive (gate) there are two stamps,but no reprints:
issued March 50,no watermark issued later in 50/51 on watermarked granite paper
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Post by spain1850 on Jun 10, 2020 16:15:47 GMT
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 10, 2020 19:01:51 GMT
Thank you spain1850 , Richard I shall surely give that a try . I expect we have a bunch of reprints , but one never knows when a genuine oriiginal will pop up. Adding thanks also to Werner salentin for his helpful email
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Post by wilford on Dec 1, 2020 20:01:25 GMT
Hello stamp friends, I am trying to ID the stamps on this cover from Taiwan. Scott's does not show anything around the date on the cover. Of course, mine is from 2007, so that may be the cause of the problem. Appreciate the help. Will
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Post by Philatarium on Dec 1, 2020 20:21:45 GMT
The design looks it would be Scott 1436, issued Jan 11, 1965, which would be consistent with the black postal cancel.
However, the image in Scott and the description say the color is "carmine rose". On my screen, the color of your stamp looks to be more like violet, but colors can get distorted by a scanner.
I don't see any reference in Scott to a subsequent stamp being issued with a very similar design. If there were, typically Scott would have a little footnote under the first occurrence.
Hopefully this can at least point you in the right direction ...
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Post by wilford on Dec 2, 2020 0:00:47 GMT
Thank you for the help. Is the 1954 cancel a slogan or commemorative?
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Post by Philatarium on Dec 2, 2020 0:58:10 GMT
Thank you for the help. Is the 1954 cancel a slogan or commemorative? I'm more familiar with how Japan does things, but there are similarities between the two countries. Having said that, I'll make some assumptions. The red cancellation is in the style of most Japanese first day cancels and commemorative cancels. At first, I was a bit thrown off by the "54" in it. But Japan, South Korea, and some other countries use both the western year-numbering system as well as a native one. (In Japan, it's based on the starting year of an emperor, so it resets several times in a century.) I thought it might be tough to figure it out for Taiwan, but it turns out only about 30 seconds of Googling got to an answer. There is a native year-numbering system in Taiwan currently in practice that starts with the year of the founding of the Republic of China, 1912. Year 54 is 1965, and the date of issue of the stamp set (set of 2) was Jan 11, 1965, so this certainly seems to be a first day of issue cancel. Here is a link to a Wikipedia page that explains the calendar: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_China_calendarAs I said, I'm not a specialist in this area, so I will defer to others who know this area better. Edited to add: according to Scott, this stamp set commemorates the 20th 'Judicial Day', so I can see the tie-in into your collecting interest.
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Post by wilford on Dec 2, 2020 15:29:44 GMT
Thanks again. That information was very helpful. The cover is not part of my collection yet, but it will be.
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Post by khj on Dec 2, 2020 23:01:55 GMT
Dave is correct, it is a first day cover. The red cancel is a commemorative cancel, which while it doesn't say first day of issue, was intended for use on first day of issue. FDCs of that era were basically just the black postmark, and then sometimes a commemorative cancel.
The top of the red cancel is text commemorating 20th Judicial Day. The bottom reads "Kaoshiung" (the city), the symbol for Chunghwa Post, and then the numerical date in ROC format that Dave pointed out.
The script inside the scales design read the complete 6 codes ("book") of law, which correspond to the: Constitution, Civil Code, Code of Civil Procedures, Criminal Code, Code of Criminal Procedures, and Administrative Laws.
And just a clarification, add "1911" to the numerical year date on the postmark to get the Gregorian year.
[EDIT: corrected name from China Post to Chunghwa Post, can never get the 2 straight!]
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 23, 2021 21:44:58 GMT
My slow going through envelopes of stamps finds me in China today. These overprints can be a nightmare but over the years I have been pretty successful in finding where they belong. This one has me stumped. I suspect it is a revenue from around the 1949 era when things split up. I rather doubt it has any value but it would be nice to know what it is. My image search app was of no help on this one.
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Post by darkormex on Oct 24, 2021 1:33:07 GMT
hdm1950 , I found this or a very similar stamp for sale on Hipstamp and am uploading the image below: The seller identifies it as "China Revenue : Duty Stamp $1 on 50c OP". This does not explain, however, what flavor of Chinese stamp it whether Republic, People's Republic, or one of the many provincial overprints or perhaps even a communist liberated area overprint. I have seen this basic design in auction catalogs out of Hong Kong in the past but someone who knows Chinese stamps better than I will have to give you more definitive information. I looked in the two Yang catalogues I have for PRC and PRC Liberated Area as well as the China Stamp Society Specialized Catalog of China to 1949. None of these catalogues, however, have revenue or duty stamp listings and, if this is indeed the case, it is not going to be listed in the Scott Catalogue.
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 24, 2021 2:44:42 GMT
hdm1950 , I found this or a very similar stamp for sale on Hipstamp and am uploading the image below: The seller identifies it as "China Revenue : Duty Stamp $1 on 50c OP". This does not explain, however, what flavor of Chinese stamp it whether Republic, People's Republic, or one of the many provincial overprints or perhaps even a communist liberated area overprint. I have seen this basic design in auction catalogs out of Hong Kong in the past but someone who knows Chinese stamps better than I will have to give you more definitive information. I looked in the two Yang catalogues I have for PRC and PRC Liberated Area as well as the China Stamp Society Specialized Catalog of China to 1949. None of these catalogues, however, have revenue or duty stamp listings and, if this is indeed the case, it is not going to be listed in the Scott Catalogue. Thanks darkormex I see several with and without overprints on that site. Several call it the harvest issue which makes sense. It also appears to be a revenue issue for sure. I have a stock sheet with a few other China revenues that I will add it to.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 24, 2021 12:06:16 GMT
I asked a Chinese colleague of mine to translate the inscriptions on the stamp. The top red cartouche reads "Republic of China tax stamp" and the overprint states "Stamp value 1 Yuan Renminbi - Can only be used in Shanghai". She mentions that this is therefore an issue from the Chinese Nationalist government of Chang Kai-Shek, not the Communist People's Republic.
Hope this helps!
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Post by hdm1950 on Oct 24, 2021 16:20:50 GMT
I asked a Chinese colleague of mine to translate the inscriptions on the stamp. The top red cartouche reads "Republic of China tax stamp" and the overprint states "Stamp value 1 Yuan Renminbi - Can only be used in Shanghai". She mentions that this is therefore an issue from the Chinese Nationalist government of Chang Kai-Shek, not the Communist People's Republic. Hope this helps! I did today find a site with a history of China Revenue Stamps from 1896 to 1949. It described the stamps origin before the overprint:
1948 Farming - Equipment, Field
Printed in China Engraving and Printing - Shanghai
Values : 1¢ to $500 Engraved and Lithographed
There was no reference to the overprint but it appears they were still for revenue purposes.
This is the link to the site: www.chinastampsociety.org/files/China_Revenue_Stamps_2019.pdf
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Post by darkormex on Oct 24, 2021 22:01:25 GMT
Thank you for this link. The China Stamp Society should have been a go-to for me. I had forgotten that they have a lot of useful information available right no their site. I definitely recommend their catalogues.
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Post by khj on Oct 25, 2021 1:50:31 GMT
I asked a Chinese colleague of mine to translate the inscriptions on the stamp. The top red cartouche reads "Republic of China tax stamp" and the overprint states "Stamp value 1 Yuan Renminbi - Can only be used in Shanghai". She mentions that this is therefore an issue from the Chinese Nationalist government of Chang Kai-Shek, not the Communist People's Republic. It is a revenue stamp originally printed by the Republic of China, but overprinted by the communists for use in Shanghai. Her translation is correct, but her interpretation in not fully correct. "renmin" is the phrase used by the Communists for "people", and can be found in the Chinese characters for "People's Republic of China". The Nationalists only use "min" -- they do not use "ren" 人, nor will you find that character in the Chinese characters for "Republic of China". The overprint contains 人, therefore is made by the Communists (besides, renminbi is the currency designator used by the Communists -- although this overprint is not the current renminbi system).
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Post by khj on Oct 25, 2021 2:10:06 GMT
I should clarify, the Communists originally did not use "ren" 人 early on. This was added later, spotted usage starting roughly late 1949, and gradually more and more afterwards. So useful for identifying PRC issues when present. However, the absence doesn't necessarily mean it is not a PRC issue.
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Post by vikingeck on Oct 4, 2022 13:59:58 GMT
Not so much help with ID, because I have found that .. (Scott #326, 2cTan Yuan-Chang, issued in 1933)... as help and interpretation of the text. What language?script? are these inscriptions below his portrait and why are they there? I’m still curious about the writing …… does no body know what it is and why it is there ?
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Post by darkormex on Oct 5, 2022 11:13:24 GMT
vikingeck , these are also characters but an older form of the script. See this wikipedia article which explains the origin and evolution of Chinese character scripts: Oracle Bone Script
Also, see this detail from the same article: Script comparisonAnd, this article: Seal scriptPerhaps others who are more knowledgeable about the reasons why this script would be chosen vs. modern (at that time) Chinese character script can chime in. Perhaps it has something to do with these stamps being issued as memorial issues for the person depicted and it looks like seal script which may have been used because this older form of script was used for writing ceremonial inscriptions.
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