Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 2, 2020 9:41:14 GMT
Agree with mdroth - I am not a connoisseur in "grills" but have seen the backs in a thread on TSF - we should go back to that thread Thanks for your reminder, René! I found the old thread, and I agree that the subject of the new one fits perfectly with the earlier discussion, so I have now merged those posts into the new, larger thread. Henry ( henrye ), have a look at the posts prior to yours in this thread. You may find some useful info or get a better idea of what may be possible with imaging choices to best illustrate your example. Stay stampy, all!  |
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henrye
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Post by henrye on Oct 2, 2020 14:15:34 GMT
I'll have to see if my old Canon scanner still works. I am still learning how to bring out the detail when imaging a stamp.
The stamp was in a collection book for almost 90 years - from around 1910 to 1996 when the book was given to me. I don't know if that had any effect on it but I don't see the two separate colors you refer to.
Were grills being counterfeited even back then?
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khj
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Post by khj on Oct 2, 2020 16:13:41 GMT
Don't know when grills first started being faked. Many of the classic master forgers were active before 1910, including Fournier, and the Senf brothers, the Spiro brothers, Taylor... -- although I don't know if any of them specifically faked paper grills on US stamps.
On my screen, at least, I see a bluish/greenish ink over the grill area of the neck/shoulders, but a blackish ink everywhere else. But I'm notoriously bad with color shades.
Re-examining the backside pic, including running it through retroReveal, I still think I see a very weak 15th column (on left) along with 17 clear rows, with points down -- hence my initial reply of D grill (Scott US #85). If my eyes are playing tricks on me and it's only 14 columns, that would make it the E grill, which is common for this stamp (Scott US #88).
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Post by mdroth on Oct 3, 2020 1:17:33 GMT
Can't say much based on this pic. Certainly don't see a D grill? A scan/better picture would be a big help - look at some of the earlier pictures in this thread - that will give you an idea of how to take the picture/what needs to be seen...
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Post by henrye on Oct 3, 2020 2:56:34 GMT
It is going to take a few days to get my scanner set up. In the meantime, here are a couple of images I took back in 2004. Using photoshop, I made them into negatives. The grill looks to be 12 by 17 looking from the back. And now I do see a slight variation in cancel color. BTW, the top image was taken before I flattened out the perforations that had folded over.   |
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khj
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Post by khj on Oct 3, 2020 3:21:07 GMT
OK, now I see what is going on.
I forgot that the original back-side picture you showed on page 1 was not flat. What I was seeing as possible grill points were actually just the coincidental pattern on the front side of the stamp to the left/right of the head -- that explains why I couldn't see a clear full column of points for those columns. Subtract those, and I concur, I see 12 clear columns and 17 clear rows -- F grill (Scott US #94).
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Sept 9, 2021 0:06:16 GMT
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so I have not added anything to this country. I do have several with visible grills from the 1867 era. I have never confirmed which grill they have and am not that concerned. I just thought they would be nice to share. 
