rod222
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Post by rod222 on May 25, 2024 12:09:53 GMT
Hugh That was my lists of stamps AND covers I have edited them with an asterisk *, those countries have mourning stamps The rest have mourning covers, but with standard stamps attached.
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Post by Hugh on May 25, 2024 12:19:45 GMT
Hugh That was my lists of stamps AND covers I have edited them with an asterisk *, those countries have mourning stamps The rest have mourning covers, but with standard stamps attached. Thanks for the clarification. Germany needs an asterisk too, then (Death of Paul von Hindenburg MiNr 548-553). They are reprints of MiNr 513, 515-517, 519 and 522 with a black overprint.
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Post by vikingeck on May 25, 2024 12:28:27 GMT
Interesting though those recent posts may be , we are drifting a long way from FMS . Perhaps Admin we can move at least some of these to the thread. Mourning covers . [ADMIN NOTE: This and the preceding five posts were moved from the Federated Malay States thread.]
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Post by paul1 on May 26, 2024 12:57:27 GMT
thanks to rod222 for the list of countries that have issued mourning stamps and covers. Here is the German 'Death of Pres. Paul Von Hindenburg' - value 8 pf. SG 548, just one from the group of six values issued September 1934, and cancelled in Berlin. ![](https://i.ibb.co/R7g4r8b/DSC01620.jpg)
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Post by salentin on May 26, 2024 14:41:13 GMT
The complete set,issued Sept.4th,1934.Valid till Dec.31st,1935.
Hindenburg died on Aug.2nd,1934.
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Post by Hugh on May 26, 2024 19:54:44 GMT
We have a single, we have a set ... how about a cover? Cancel: Heilbronn December 28, 1934 Stamp: MiNr. 552 ![](https://i.ibb.co/J5Tzj2M/Mourning-cover-Germany-1934.jpg)
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Post by salentin on May 27, 2024 7:29:37 GMT
Mourning stamp and s.s. for Comrade Wilhelm Pieck,former chairman of the Communist Party and president of the German Democratic Republic,who died on Sept.7th,1960. Issued on Sept.10th,1960,valid till March 31st,1962.
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Post by salentin on May 28, 2024 12:16:06 GMT
After the death of Wilhelm Pieck,the post of the president was abolished. Instead a so called "Staatsrat" (state council) was established.The chairman (Staatsrats-Vorsitzender) acted as head of state on the international stage. First Staatsrats-Vorsitzender became Comrade Walter Ulbricht,who was also chairman of the SED (the real centre of power in the GDR) and commander in chief of the armed forces. After he was removed from power in 1971,Ulbricht remained Staatsrats-Vorsitzender till his death on Aug.1st,1973. Stamp issued on Aug.8th,1973.
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Post by Hugh on May 28, 2024 13:06:36 GMT
Interesting, over the last couple of hundred years, expressions of mourning have taken on new forms ... from black bordered paper to black bordered evelopes to black bordered stamps and to the use of stark, black stamps like the one posted by salentin Some cultures use other colours to express mourning - white in East Asia, red in parts of South Asia ... and purple here and there. Are there any examples of mourning stamps and covers in colours other than black? Just curious.
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on May 28, 2024 19:36:49 GMT
Interesting, over the last couple of hundred years, expressions of mourning have taken on new forms ... from black bordered paper to black bordered evelopes to black bordered stamps and to the use of stark, black stamps like the one posted by salentin Some cultures use other colours to express mourning - white in East Asia, red in parts of South Asia ... and purple here and there. Are there any examples of mourning stamps and covers in colours other than black? Just curious. Hugh Hi Hugh, when we begin to depart from the "Black border" of stamps and covers, the results become grey and fuzzy. Take possibly the most addressed person on stamps, on his passing, John F Kennedy I have 124 different stamps honouring the gentleman, in all colours of the rainbow. How do we then, set the parameters of a "mourning stamp" ... any ideas? anyone? I can't come up with anything.
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Post by salentin on May 29, 2024 14:00:14 GMT
In my opinion a mourning stamp has to be issued close as possible to the death of the deceased. Later ones would be issued as commemoratives.But,of course,there is no clear defintion.
Regulars for use on mourning mail from Japan, issued Aug.23rd,1982 (60 Yen),Nov.22nd,1983 (40 Yen, Aug.10th,1989 (41 Yen),March 10th,1994 (50 Yen).
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Post by salentin on May 30, 2024 9:15:10 GMT
Indira Gandhi was assassinated on Oct.31st,the stamp was issed on Nov.19th,1984.
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Post by salentin on May 31, 2024 13:30:23 GMT
King Norodom Suramarit,died on April 3rd,1960.Stamps issued on April 30th,1960.
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Post by Hugh on Jun 1, 2024 0:32:58 GMT
In my opinion a mourning stamp has to be issued close as possible to the death of the deceased. Later ones would be issued as commemoratives.But,of course,there is no clear defintion. First, thanks for sharing those great stamps from Japan. I've been thinking about your observation about the difference between mourning stamps and commemoratives. I started looking around. This Queen Astrid Cover, from Belgium, was posted on January 18, 1936 from Brussels to Aarhus (there is a receiving stamp on the back dated January 20). Her tragic death occured the previous summer and the semi-postal mourning stamps (Sc. B170 to B177) were issued on December 1, 1935 (except for B174 which was issued on October 31. The timing, the black border, and the raising money for charities in her name, together with her popularity, would seem to clearly mark these as 'mourning' stamps. ![](https://i.ibb.co/rQ768tj/Mourning-stamps-and-cover.jpg) Then there are these stamps ... This Zhou Enlai series was issued by the PRC on January 8, 1977 - the first anniversary of his passing. Commemorative or mourning stamp? Athough he had been popular, I'm inclined to think that any stamp issued on the 'anniversary' of someone's death - one year, five years, ten ... a hundred - is more a rememberance than a mourning. Not trying to split hairs ... I'm just trying to put some limits around this collecting area in case I jump in. There are a lot of commemorative stamps out there. Sc. 1303 to 1306. ![](https://i.ibb.co/ZcHDM91/Mourning-stamps-and-cover-5.jpg) [PS - For the fly-speckers out there. I think there may be a dot on the forehead of Queen Astrid on the 1F stamp. Using a position finder, it's in box K5 (or 14mm from the lower frame and 27mm from the left side ... measured from the inside edge of the black border). Or, just look in the middle of her forehead above her left eye. However, varieties are not my area of expertise - not by a long shot.]
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Post by rod222 on Jun 1, 2024 3:55:12 GMT
Quote : [PS - For the fly-speckers out there. I think there may be a dot on the forehead of Queen Astrid on the 1F stamp. Using a position finder, it's in box K5 (or 14mm from the lower frame and 27mm from the left side ... measured from the inside edge of the black border). Or, just look in the middle of her forehead above her left eye. However, varieties are not my area of expertise - not by a long shot.] Hugh Hi Hugh, checked my 36 Queen Astrid mournings, this was the only suspect, is this what you were suggesting? PS : Liked your suggestion difference between mourning stamps and commemoratives. ![](https://i.ibb.co/qkTV3Pz/B0177-1935-SP69-2f45c-55c-02.jpg)
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Post by Hugh on Jun 1, 2024 4:08:37 GMT
Hi rod222This is the one I saw ... ![](https://i.ibb.co/84qt9Qt/Mourning-stamps-and-cover-6.jpg) ![](https://i.ibb.co/Y32Crgq/Mourning-stamps-and-cover-7.jpg)
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Post by rod222 on Jun 1, 2024 4:14:37 GMT
Thanks, Aha! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) So, just EFO's (Errors, freaks or oddities) particles of dust or detritus from the printer.
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Post by Hugh on Jun 1, 2024 11:33:19 GMT
Thanks, Aha! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) So, just EFO's (Errors, freaks or oddities) particles of dust or detritus from the printer. Indeed. These particular stamps seemed to have had a lot of that - mess on the press. Years ago, fresh out of school, I was the newest guy on the team so I was the one that always got sent in the middle of the night to do the press proofs on the jobs we had on the big web presses. It had to be done on the spot (no pun intended). It's amazing what can go wrong on a big press run. Cheers,
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Post by salentin on Jun 1, 2024 12:39:02 GMT
Mourning stamps from Austria. Apart from Ignaz Seipel,all shown died while in office.
Prelate Ignaz Seipel,Bundeskanzler,died Aug.2nd,1932/stamp issued Oct.12th,1932
Engelbert Dollfuss,Bundeskanzler (dictatorial fascist,murdered in a coup-attempt by the Nazis): July 25th,1934/Oct 10th,1934 Same stamp,in black-blue,was issued on July 25th,1935
Karl Renner,Bundespräsident :Dec.31st,1950/March 3rd 1951
Theodor Körner,Bundespräsident :Jan.4th,1957/Jan.11th,1957
Adolf Schärf,Bundespräsident :Feb.28th,1965/April 20th,1965
Franz Jonas,Bundespräsident :April 24th,1974/June 28th,1974
One more Bundespräsident,Thomas Klestil,died in office in 2004,but that is outside the scope of my Austria collection.
(Bundeskanzler = head of government,Bundespräsident = head of state)
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Post by Hugh on Jun 10, 2024 11:35:13 GMT
Franklin D. Roosevelt died on April 12, 1945. On December 21, 1945 Greece, then in the middle of a civil war, issued a set of three stamps with a black border in his memory – 30d, 60d and 200d. Here are a pair of covers featuring two of those stamps. First, the 200d used April 18, 1946 on a cover to Boston, MA. It is paired with a 500,000d stamp from the hyperinflation period (1942-44) that was overprinted with a red 1000d in early 1946. Unfortunately, I took Latin in school but not Greek so I’m lost on the cancel … is it Rhodes? ![](https://i.ibb.co/K0Vwwtq/Greece-Mourning-Cover-1946-1.jpg) Sc. 471 and Sc. 479 ![](https://i.ibb.co/2j5DSfD/Greece-Mourning-Cover-1946-2.jpg) Second, a pair of the 30d stamps on a September 1, 1946 cover to Akron, OH. Again, the cancel is Greek to me (smile). ![](https://i.ibb.co/JH3hY7B/Greece-Mourning-Cover-1946.jpg)
Sc 469
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 10, 2024 11:41:53 GMT
Hi Hugh , not Rhodes, but VOLOS a city in Thessaly. but struggling with the second one . The lower arc reads. APOSTOAE which translates as “distance”?
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Post by Hugh on Jun 15, 2024 12:49:37 GMT
Mourning maxi-card ... Queen Astrid. December 2, 1935 Sc. B170 ![](https://i.ibb.co/H7KGD7T/Astrid-Mourning-Card.jpg)
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Post by paul1 on Jun 15, 2024 21:11:43 GMT
in the list of countries provided by rod222, as having issued mourning stamps, it appears that Hungary doesn't get a look in, so ..................... here are the pair of stamps issued to commemorate/mourn the death of Stephen Horthy, Vice Regent of Hungary - killed in a flying accident in 1942. The SG Nos. look to be 721 and 722, and it's unusual perhaps that the higher value is in purple rather than black. Brave warriors who die in battle end up in one of two places - half go to join the Goddess Freyja hall Sessrúmnir in her realm of Fólkvangr, the other half go to Valhalla, Odin's hall in Asgard - I'm unsure where Stephen Horthy is shown to be heading, but judging by the imagery on the stamps, it may well be Valhalla. ![](https://i.ibb.co/zJfKTQT/DSC01726.jpg)
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Post by Hugh on Jun 15, 2024 22:29:22 GMT
The SG Nos. look to be 721 and 722, and it's unusual perhaps that the higher value is in purple rather than black. Hi paul1 ... great examples. I don't have an SG catalogue for Hungry, but according to Scott, the first (black) mourning stamp was issued on October 15, 1942 - about two months after his death - Sc. 600. It's also in Michel as Nr. 695. The purple stamp is a semi-postal issued on August 16, 1943 to mark the first anniversary of his death. The funds were for the Horthy National Aviation Fund. Sc. B170, Michel Nr. 735. Four other semi-postals were issued a few weeks earlier in support of the same fund. Sc. B166 to 169, Michel Nr. 731-734. First class graphic design. ![](https://i.ibb.co/qkBsysb/IMG-0338.jpg)
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Post by Hugh on Jun 16, 2024 11:39:15 GMT
Józef Piłsudski was a former head of state and the first Marshal of Poland. He died May 12, 1935.
A series of mourning stamps was issued on May 16. While not in great condition, along with two other stamps, here are four examples of the 25Gr mourning stamp used on a parcel wrapper on June 6, 1935. It was sent from Warsaw to Washington, PA. Stamps: Poland - Mourning Marshal Pilsudski Issued: May 16, 1935 25Gr Black Mi Nr. 296 Poland - Winners of 1932 Circuit of Europe (overprinted in red 'Challenge 1934') Issued: August 28, 1934 30Gr Green Mi Nr. 290 Poland - Definitive - Polish Eagle Issued: 1932 5Gr - Violet Mi Nr. 272 ![](https://i.ibb.co/GPcM87w/Poland-Mourning-Parcel-Wrapper.jpg)
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Post by Hugh on Aug 28, 2024 15:03:27 GMT
A photo postcard from Yugoslavia with two stamps featuring the late King Alexander. ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2024/08/28/44694cd49fa321614c0191476c75ebe9.jpg) Amid rising tensions inside Yugoslvaia and with its neighbours - especially Italy, the king had been assassinated in Marseille on October 9, 1934, while on a state visit to France. Louis Barthou, the French Foreign Minister also died in the violent attack. Much of the event was captured by a newsreel camera just meters from the King's motorcar. One stamp is a standard definitive, the other is a mourning stamp issued eight days after the king's death. The postcard was mailed from Kotor to Zagreb on May 23, 1935. Stamps:Yugoslavia - King Alexander 50p Green Issued - 1931 Sc. 64 Yugoslavia - King Alexander Memorial Issue 25p Black with Black border Issued - October 17, 1934 Sc. 102 Cancel: Double Circle Outer ring - KOTOR - SPLITInner - 23 V 35 - 11[?]Postcard: RPPC with Scalloped Edge Published by Foto Božić in Korčula [Triangular handstamp] Appears to be a photo of Korčula (now in Croatia, then in Yugoslavia). The island was occupied and annexed by Italy in 1941. ![](https://tsfimagehost.net/images/2024/08/28/410d6c80e818269e12430191b5e8658a.jpg)
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Post by rod222 on Aug 29, 2024 3:44:11 GMT
Hugh Hi Hugh Postcard: RPPC with Scalloped Edge
You may wish to also use, in Postcard parlance "Deckled Edge" ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) What is the purpose of deckled edges? Deckle edge - Wikipedia Many fine art works or digital prints also have deckle edges. Again, as in book printing, this was once considered an imperfection as the by-product of handmade papermaking. Now makers use it to create the appearance of greater value, handmade products costing more than those mass-produced.
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