stampguyusa
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Post by stampguyusa on Dec 4, 2018 3:58:38 GMT
I was going through my many duplicates of used USA stamps. I ran across the 1988 Christmas Madonna and Child (Scott 2399) which has the Cyan (red) missing. What puzzles me is if the Cyan is missing, what the word Christmas remain red? Or is the a separate pass in the printing operation? Any suggestions and remarks are appreciated! Thanks for a great forum!
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 4, 2018 13:31:14 GMT
It just looks faded to me. Just look at the stamp overall. Maybe it was in the warm soaking water a bit too long?
But what I see that is interesting is the dot within the hook of the 5.
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Post by renden on Dec 4, 2018 14:02:15 GMT
It just looks faded to me. Just look at the stamp overall. Maybe it was in the warm soaking water a bit too long? But what I see that is interesting is the dot within the hook of the 5. Pete Good observation on the dot ! Agree with your impression on the partial red color fading......not a changeling, by definition René Changeling A stamp whose color has been changed-intentionally or unintentionally-by contact with a chemical or exposure to light. (SCF glossary) |
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Post by Ryan on Dec 4, 2018 17:03:47 GMT
I ran across the 1988 Christmas Madonna and Child (Scott 2399) which has the Cyan (red) missing. There's a point of confusion - cyan is a light blue, not red.  Ryan |
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Post by brightonpete on Dec 4, 2018 21:48:00 GMT
I am sorry for the color error, I should have said magenta. I did get any sleep last night. But if is faded, please explain why the word Christmas is unchanged. I'd have to say there were different printing processes involved in printing that stamp. Looks like engraving perhaps for the letters, typo/litho-graphy for the red that has faded. Perhaps someone else has a better knowledge of the printing processes than I. |
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Post by stampguyusa on Dec 4, 2018 22:22:37 GMT
brightonpete Thanks for your reply. I suspect that process color was one run and the spot color (red and black) are another. But that does not account for one color fading and the other red not. I have been in the printing business for 40 years, mainly letterpress and small offset. Very little process color work. I know red is usually susceptible to fading when exposed to sunlight. The other explanation is two different types of ink were used, the type in fade resistant ink. I suspect not.
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Post by renden on Dec 4, 2018 22:33:00 GMT
Pete has brought up an interesting point as well stampguyusa - I have also been raised in a printing shop and have witnessed so many variations of color in certain "jobs" - My dad (late) was a Newspaper owner and printer for 40 years and technology advances in printing has showed many discrepencies. This is not changeling but a wrong printing job !! René |
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Post by stampguyusa on Dec 5, 2018 0:40:05 GMT
René,.
I understand every thing you said, except the last sentence.
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Post by renden on Dec 5, 2018 0:47:30 GMT
René,.
I understand every thing you said, except the last sentence.
Jim was only talking (again) on the possibility of a changeling in colors René |
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