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Post by stainlessb on Oct 2, 2019 1:29:45 GMT
Here is another as I try and wrap my arms around this.... 4 nice margins! D A A is placed low in it's box- the right star has a wider northwest .... divide (is there an philatelic term for that?) and NE and SW are both close to being "pinched" on the ends, especially SW I believe it to be Die 1 Alphabet 1 - postmark indicates Glouchester which according gbps.org.uk puts this 1844 or later i am slowly gather references, but thus far, nothing that's just (in the somewhat words of Willie Wonka) Gobstoppered me! and shown me the light and the way.....   any help, direction would be most appreciated  |
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 3, 2019 0:53:15 GMT
A question (perhaps silly) when looking at letters in the corner- would the same letter stamp have been used regardless of left or right? Or does one need to be able to make a positiv ePlate ID by finding a example of tyhe the plate position stamp
Meaning if I have a DA, do I have to compare it to another DA? Or could the D be compared to any D in an identified plate series, and same for the A?
I thinght might be a worthwhile question before I spend much more time staring at photos of stamps....
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Post by stainlessb on Oct 3, 2019 1:56:53 GMT
and here is another- also on bluish paper (which from what I gather... limits me to plate 132 or lower !?!  ) based on cancelllation 498 Manchester earliest use 1844  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 17, 2021 21:08:30 GMT
took me a while to get back to the stamp in the post above... i have started the task of measuring the angles of the bottom letters and any clues in the stars and then looking at countless imprimaturs looking for a possible match as mentioned back in October of 2019 (sometimes I'm a bit slow) here's the back  not as strong a blue tint as some. also watermark is small crown (although i cannot find a definitive date when the different watermarks were used with respect to the Penny reds...anybody know?) so what seemed like the longest time for me to decide, I think this may be Plate 14 (see previous post above). If anyone can shed more light on this, please please and did i mention please? |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 17, 2021 22:40:26 GMT
Edited - Plate 118!!! I thought this one would be rather simple, but I'm thus far not having much luck.... the top left (NW) corner is closed, the J has a longer right serif than left and the B is bottom right placement and has long serifs.... Post mark is Birmingham and that obliteration was used from 1851 - 1864, so being near the end of the imperforate stamps I would expect a higher plate #. Maltese cancelations end around 1844 with plates 37 to 45, after which Stanley Gibbons provides no further dates to when plates came into use (however I do have an older specialized edition (1970). bluish paper (up until 1857) and small crown watermark (I'm guessing maybe all have small crown?)... found some info! imperfs seem to be all small crown HERE any info anyone can offer would be much appreciated solved!! 118 |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 19, 2021 14:27:24 GMT
BK (scroll up) seems to a good match to Plate 94 when compared to the imprimatur (though I wish there was a bit more magnification!)
now to decide how best to keep track of ID's stamps (without writing on the back!) sounds like a Vario task!
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 19, 2021 22:06:59 GMT
Plate 127, London Inland Office postmark barred oval with diamond frame numeral 18 for Deptford. The cancellation doesn't quite match anything specific- there is a 2-7-7-2, but the numerals are well centered, however there is a 3-7-7-3 that has the serifs of the "1" into the left diamond borders, and this may be it near the end of it's like with the outer barres worn down  I have now identified three stamps for plate #'s ....5-6 hours... hopefully I get quicker! |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 20, 2021 19:27:58 GMT
Next effort (with some assistance form a fellow on the GBPS discussion board) I have this narrowed down to either plate 139 or 148. I wish there was a way to get greater magnification of the imprimaturs without pixelation, but it is certainly better than hoping what's in the books is correct with no image! Oval Barred diamond cancellation indicates London Inland and this particular one 3-7-7-3 appears to be one used from June 1852 to April 1853 ate either Bexley or Brockley, Both offices were in operation during the time frame for the obliterator  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 22, 2021 19:01:29 GMT
IG, plate 36 with Croix patée obliterator, (Maltese Cross), London Chief Office, stamper #10 (in case they needed to trace who stamped the letter)  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 22, 2021 22:29:57 GMT
one or two a day should keep me busy for some time to come, though some that are trimmed (imperf) too close to margins are problematic and more painstaking to ID (and in some cases I may just pass on those) 4 margins! DA Plate 75 Cancellation appears to be 312 which would make this Gloucester, from 1844 until 1962!  |
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Post by smauggie on Mar 23, 2021 5:45:12 GMT
I haven't been able to find the books needed for plating the penny reds.
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 23, 2021 14:05:44 GMT
I have the books which have been helpful and I use E-gauge on GBPS website (getting the correct size/pixel ratio was a challenge). The last stamp (above) was the first one that came up as a direct match, all the others I've had to compare against the imprimaturs, as my measurements don't quite match. And in some cases (like EI) it's down to two possible plates It does keep me occupied!  |
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Post by Ryan on Mar 23, 2021 14:07:22 GMT
Note that the GB Philatelic Society website has a catalogue entitled A Rearrangement into Numerical Order of the Measurements in 'The Plating of the Penny', 4th ed. (2021) by Mike Batty (I've linked to the download page rather than the PDF file itself as the document seems to be updated fairly regularly, and each time it's updated the latest version gets a new URL). All the data is there, it's just reordered (also, there are no illustrations). It's a massive document, 1315 pages long with lots of small print. Listings are ordered according to the corner letters, on one side of the page they're further ordered by plate number and on the other by dimensions of the spacing of the letter within its box. You could then (in theory, anyway) use the GBPS online E-gauge to obtain the spacing dimensions, assuming you don't have an actual gauge at hand. Ryan |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 23, 2021 14:16:11 GMT
Thanks for the link Ryan ! This has the dates the plates were used! I had not found that and it should a great help!! The actual gauge is a challenge to use because of small the size. I have to use it on my dissecting scope. The E-gauge woks pretty well, though there's a learning curve (and until you get the scan image down to the recommended size it really doesn't work well at all. Having the series of books helps fill in some of the blanks. They were an exspenive acquisition and took a while to find all 5 volumes.The imperf present their own challenge as many were not carefully cut from the sheets and the lower box border are not always complete. |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 24, 2021 0:33:46 GMT
HH, appears to be plate 53, but 47 is very close (but I am leaning towards 53).The stamp itself has Die II written on the back.... but I question they determined that with as heavy of a cancellation (?). (if someone can point that out, I'd be most grateful, but many of the 'difference" are covered in black ink). Barred cancle 868 is West Bromich, Staffordshire which started in 1844 and is still in existence today (althopugh not the original location, having been give give a few upgrades!)  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 29, 2021 17:41:56 GMT
Nice 4 margins EK, Maltese Cross- looks to be Plate 28, which one exactly, I'm not sure as it is not strong/clear strike  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 29, 2021 18:56:04 GMT
the postmark is nicer than the stamp! JH Plate 108 London Inland office cancellation, barred diamond 2-11-10-2 and number 12 indicates this was in the east end of London, Bow, a very old settlement dating back to the 1100's and is named for three bow arches of the first stone bridge, reportedly ordered built by Henry I's wife Matilda after she fell in crossing the ford (the bridge road is known as Kings Way, Matilda got no credit for it). The church in Bow is also the last structure in England to be bombed by the Germans last blitz raid. All this from finding out about stamps!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 29, 2021 23:52:24 GMT
seemed the best place to post- a small lot I won at auction for a reasonable price, AND a lot not filled with a "good showing" of flawed stamps. Many of these I should be able to identify the plate #. And a few interesting cancellations also! Of late I have seen more than a few lots go for a price much higher than a year ago, and said lots had numerous flawed stamps... I'm beginning to think maybe some folks like stamps that have edges poorly cut with scissors, or the perforations cut into.... One corner flaw, and another with a weak corner seems the worse this lot has suffered. I think I will give them all a bath first!  |
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