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Post by khj on Apr 19, 2019 2:18:06 GMT
This stamp is definitely plate #3. Because of the heavy wear in the check letter tablets and the cancel, the hairline test is not particularly reliable for this example. There are actually 2 methods to differentiate plate #3 and plate #4 -- the hairlines, and the Roman numeral I or II. Your stamp has no obvious hairlines and a clear Roman I on both ends of the bottom bar. On used stamps, I recommend always using both. It's possible to mis-ID when using only the hairline test or only the Roman numeral test. I'll scan some of my stamps, show examples, and explain why both methods should be used. I'll put them in another thread and post the link here. {OK, here is the link to the thread Comparative Philately -- 4d Line-Engraved issue of 1862-1863} |
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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2019 14:15:17 GMT
I'm wondering if I should start a new thread just called Queen Victoria... but as this is an ongoing "thing... Done. For awareness, the original poster may change a thread's subject by editing his or her original post. |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 23, 2019 0:44:32 GMT
Arrived today Scott watermark 31 (I'm guessing circa 1880's) an official stamp? tax? Not sure the difference between Inland Revenue and Postage being initial exclusive as some ealry "postal" stamps have Inland Revenue on them any ideas?   |
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 23, 2019 6:07:49 GMT
The sixpence revenue stamp shown above was affixed to a document to show that the tax has been paid to the inland reveneue.
Those postage stamps overprinted 'inland revenue' were for use by the department to send out mail.
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Post by blaamand on Apr 23, 2019 7:12:35 GMT
I love this thread on Victorian stamps, please keep it coming! Did you know that it was just a matter of coincidence and bad fortune for another Princess that Queen Victoria ever came to be queen in the first place? What if?? King Leopold I of Belgium wouldn't have been the Belgian King - but rather Queen escort in England and father of the future British Kings. And even worse for stamp collectors - it wouldn't have been any 'Victorian' stamps as we now know them!! Read more: thestampforum.boards.net/thread/1299/belgium-stamps?page=5&scrollTo=74720 |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 23, 2019 13:21:24 GMT
are there any reference guides available that covers these types of stamps ( I have a few others)?
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 23, 2019 13:41:15 GMT
There probably is and I hope someone knows, otherwise there is a small section at the back of SG concise that has the basics which I can scan.
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 23, 2019 16:18:06 GMT
feebletodix I have the less concise SG and it has very little. Nor does SG QV specialized seem to cover these. I looked online, but aside from offers to sell stamps, I could find little in the way of reference (and the stamps being sold didn't offer much information). I hope if there is a reference available, someone knows of it.
I'll post more images tonight when I get home (and see if I can't manage to get the color corrected on the above 6d scan ) - Maybe start a new thread just for fiscals/revenue/tax/official stamps as this seems like a "micro-study" unto itself, instead of just relegated to the B-o-B
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 23, 2019 17:10:22 GMT
stainlessb .......your Revenue stamp was issued in 1860. Printed Typography by De La Rue. Perf 15½x15. The 6d of the series (your stamp), has a double Fouled Anchor watermark !! There are also 1d and 3d values but in a different format with only one anchor. UPDATE !!!!!! Cancel the anchor bit that I wrote above. Your Anchor is NOT fouled, I was too quick to look !! (I will leave the info up as it applies to the first issue). You need to measure the height of your anchor. 16mm and it was issued in 1864, and all of the above info applies. (printer, type,perfs etc) 
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 23, 2019 17:29:00 GMT
Londonbus1 Thanks, I will measure (anchors away!) is ther a Scott or SG number for this? (and where did yiou find all that information? inquiring minds want to know!)
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 23, 2019 18:11:29 GMT
Great Britain Revenues by J.Barefoot.
Just google the name and your life will change forever ! (OK, I'm exaggerating !!)
Barefoot No.IR22.
Inland Revenue
Tax on receipts
Manuscript cancels
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 23, 2019 18:13:37 GMT
By the way..........
"The phrase "anchors aweigh" is a report that the anchors are clear of the sea bottom and, therefore, the ship is officially under way. "Anchors aweigh" is often misspelled as "Anchor's away," leading to confusion of the terms and the misunderstanding that it means "to drop anchor."
Wikipedia & Londonbus1
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 23, 2019 18:58:48 GMT
no wonder my naval career wasn't anything to write home about!
That book appears to be very limited in availability- nevermind, a few on e-Bay
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 24, 2019 1:45:08 GMT
OK= the eyes may have it 1864 Penny Red - Plate 191 or 194? 191 written on back of stamp, but the right side, last digit looks like a 4 to me?!? (sa]canned at 2400 dpi- 3 passes)  |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 24, 2019 6:34:28 GMT
Looks like a 191 to me.
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 0:14:26 GMT
scanning green stamps today 1867-80 Sc# 49, plates 5, 6 (it really is that bright) and 9 If anyone has any of the other plates (plates 4 - 10 were used) let me know if you have "dups" 
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 22:49:46 GMT
OK- last 'group' for the days... my eyes are getting tired, as well as my back... 1876-80 Sc#'s 70 and 71 @70 plate 16 and 2 examples of #71 Plate 17- with a contrast in color tone (described in Scott as gray-brown (?) again, my unorthodox background- I got the best color rendition for all three, side by side.... Black washed the two lighter ones out  Be glad when my SG color reference arrives - as imagine many of you may also  |
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Post by renden on Apr 29, 2019 12:20:23 GMT
stainlessb Stan - what do the numbered cancels mean (Town ?) in GB ? Too lazy to search it myself  Thanks René
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Post by nikhil on Apr 29, 2019 13:40:36 GMT
renden the numbers are the numbers allocated to the different postoffices in GB. This link will be helpful to know more link
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 29, 2019 13:43:53 GMT
Could be towns, or in the case of London (and I'm guessing larger cities) post offices, and withithout knowinf there was a date to the left (I think most always) it could be single or a duplex cancellation Here's a link ( thanks to Gavin and others)that will possibly give you more information than you ever thought possible!! www.gbps.org.uk/information/po-numbers/wales-bycounty.php 107 appears to indicate the Bradford Office in Yorks County, first listed/used in 1840 There are cases where the same number(s) was used by multiple offices, at which point it (I think) gets down to shape of the obliterater stamps. There are a lot, starting with single digit, single digit alpha, two digit, two digit alpha three digit, three digit alpha (you get the idea) and different locales/regions had/may have had different variations to the cancellation (shape and design) I suspect it would take a very long and dedicated effort to complete a collection of GB cancellations- I personally like a clear and complete cancellation (date preferred over obliterater)..then again, slight cancellations are nice to so you can see the stamp! |
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Post by renden on Apr 29, 2019 15:48:57 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 25, 2020 1:58:21 GMT
I have looked and looked, but I am not finding this stamp?   |
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Post by darkormex on Feb 25, 2020 2:05:00 GMT
I have looked and looked, but I am not finding this stamp? Trinidad, Sc. no. 71, design A7 4p slate. |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 25, 2020 2:10:26 GMT
Trinidad?!? i would have never looked there!
Thanks- that moves this one out of my sphere of interest!
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Post by darkormex on Feb 25, 2020 2:14:40 GMT
Trinidad?!? i would have never looked there! Thanks- that moves this one out of my sphere of interest! Out of curiosity, what country did you think this stamp was from? |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 25, 2020 2:18:27 GMT
I thought in read INLAND POSTAGE.... therefore GB
but now that you had ID'd as Trinidad- i do see that!
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Post by darkormex on Feb 25, 2020 2:20:26 GMT
I thought in read INLAND POSTAGE.... therefore GB but now that you had ID'd as Trinidad- i do see that! I get it. Sometimes it takes a second pair of eyes. |
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Post by thegubman on Mar 30, 2020 19:19:31 GMT
 A nice block of nine 1d reds unmounted mint lettered EF to GH plate 149. I have a decent collection of GE and EG lettered line engraved issues and will put a few pictures up in the coming weeks. Graham |
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Post by thegubman on Mar 30, 2020 19:23:41 GMT
 Another nice block of twelve lettered GA to HF. Graham |
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Post by thegubman on Mar 30, 2020 19:26:13 GMT
 Fine Irish cover with a strip of six lettered GC-GH posted to Dublin. |
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