firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 20, 2019 19:14:53 GMT
Moderator Note: Original thread name " Found in Mom's Stuff" was changed to something more descriptive so that it would be more easily found in a search.
Not real sure but If my hunch is correct could be nice.Anyone with opinions? 
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angore
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Post by angore on Apr 20, 2019 19:28:17 GMT
I would guess a Schermack coil.
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 20, 2019 21:19:00 GMT
That was my guess too angore from what I see in catalog a better stamp. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2019 21:31:48 GMT
Not that it make much difference it is a Shermack Type III also called an hyphenhole punch Also of interest is the letter or # in the cancel some types are scarce
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Post by mdroth on Apr 20, 2019 23:33:16 GMT
It's a Schermack coil. Pretty common but very cool to get one, esp if you haven't seen it before. Even better to find in your mom's stuff! Postal Dept printed them imperf, and then sent to private companies for 'private' perforations. Schermack developed a machine to feed coil stamps for companies that did lots of mailing. The 'notches' on the side was the method their machine used to feed the stamps through the device. There were a handful of these private companies making coils for big firms. Schermack was likely the biggest & therefore you can find their coils easiest. Another big one to keep an eye out for is 'Mail-o-Meter' which had large circular perforations:  |
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 21, 2019 1:21:13 GMT
I bow to Mom's knowledge it was labeled type 1a and her handwritten number 482A.
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Post by mdroth on Apr 21, 2019 10:16:36 GMT
Sorry to question Mom?! But 482A would be a major stretch. That stamp is extraordinarily rare - catalogs for like $65,000...
Need a better picture to determine type, but certainly does not appear to be a Type 1a. From what I can see, it is type 1. If you want an exact ID, you would also need to check to see if there is a watermark...
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 21, 2019 18:47:47 GMT
No time to delve further right now.The weather is working weather and stamps are in the back seat.If you want I can send it to you for your hands on opinion. mdroth . |
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Post by mdroth on Apr 22, 2019 13:42:07 GMT
?? I'll pass...not the reply I was expecting???
My opinion is that YOU should examine the stamp!! (Of course, not until all of your chores are completed!) (To the satisfaction of an objective, on-site supervisor!)
If you'd like to post additional pictures or questions on your quest, my guess is you'll hear lots of expert opinions...
And obviously, please take precautions & don't start any fires or blow anything up!!
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 22, 2019 20:58:53 GMT
Well mdroth there is no time now to seriously work on stamps so I guess we will not know possibly ever.I feel less than qualified to put an opinion on it.If anyone here thinks they can determine it's identity let me know and it can go see you. |
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Post by tomiseksj on Apr 26, 2019 15:03:32 GMT
I agree that the stamp is a Type 1, rather than Type 1a. Below are portions of two Scott 482A that have been determined genuine by the Philatelic Foundation (Certs 488931 and 498668) and the Type 1a description provided by Scott. The toga button, toga rope and rope shading lines are much stronger than those on the stamp in question (a portion of it is also shown for comparison).   |
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Post by dgdecker on Apr 26, 2019 16:41:23 GMT
An interesting stamp. I had never heard about, let alone seen this type of stamp. The other night I was surfing through stamp websites. I managed to somehow trip on a site that had details of these stamps. Can I remember the site ? No! Did I bookmark? No! Hoping I will run across it again. Another piece of education for me.
David
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khj
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Post by khj on Apr 26, 2019 17:30:38 GMT
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firstfrog2013
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Apr 28, 2019 4:24:37 GMT
well with less and less time on my hands right now it will just have to wait for further attention it does have a second stamp next to it for comparison labeled type 1a without the coils perfs so that may at some point become the true focus to it's correct identity.Only stopped home for the night so stamps are going to wait.
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khj
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Post by khj on Apr 28, 2019 4:56:49 GMT
Ugh, no time to play with stamps! The pain and injustice of it all!
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 21, 2021 20:48:22 GMT
I have a few rather weird Coil stamps with odd cuts from vending machines I cant find them in my Scott Classic . Am I missing something ? USA is not my collecting interest and I can't see any for sale on ebay for comparison Can anyone ID them for me , I presume they have a resale value ? (Forgive me if they already have a thread on TSF I couldn't find one but then I don't know what I am looking for )  |
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Mr. H
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Post by Mr. H on Apr 21, 2021 21:17:05 GMT
You would find them in the US Specialized Catalog under Vending & Affixing Machine Perforations. The double - are from The Schermack Company and the notched are US Automatic Vending Company.   |
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REL1948
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Post by REL1948 on Apr 21, 2021 21:17:26 GMT
Hello Vikingeck,
Very nice stamps.
The Stamps with the arrow notches look like stamps I've seen before from the "US Automatic Vending Company" except I've never seen them without additional slitting or perforation holes between the notches. Hopefully, someone familiar with Vending stamps might recognize this variety?
The coils with the dash type cuts are known as "Schermack Company" type III perforations. They were in use from 1908 - 1923.
Rob
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 21, 2021 21:48:31 GMT
Thank you, Alex ( vikingeck ), for your interesting post. There was an existing thread, but the name didn't give a clue as to the real subject. I hope you don't mind, but I have renamed the thread and moved your post plus the responses here.
Added Note: Alex, you may also want to check this website, cited earlier in this thread: www.theswedishtiger.com/coils.htmlThere seems to be some excellent info on Schermack coils there. Also forgot to thank Rob ( REL1948) and Mr. H for your responses!  |
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Post by daniel on Apr 21, 2021 22:08:08 GMT
Thank you, Alex ( vikingeck ), for your interesting post. There was an existing thread, but the name didn't give a clue as to the real subject. I hope you don't mind, but I have renamed the thread and moved your post plus the responses here.
Added Note: Alex, you may also want to check this website, cited earlier in this thread: www.theswedishtiger.com/coils.htmlThere seems to be some excellent info on Shermack coils there. Also forgot to thank Rob ( REL1948 ) and Mr. H for your responses! Although, as Mr. H has pointed out, they're not all Schermack (note correct spelling), the notched ones are US Automatic Vending Company. Maybe, Vending & Affixing Machine Perforations would be a better heading? See also this Stamp Smarter link. |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 21, 2021 22:08:49 GMT
Thank you all for your prompt input.I knew I’d get answers , and delighted they came in thick and fast. I had no idea where to look for the correct thread so thanks Beryllium Guy for getting me on to the Schermack track. I recall the name now but was dashed if I could remember it when I needed it. . There are evidently a few $ to be earned selling these on ,now I have the correct titles ..The Automatic Vending Company strip I believe has a long horizontal slit between the stamps rather than perf holes |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 22, 2021 23:08:11 GMT
Thank you, Alex ( vikingeck ), for your interesting post. There was an existing thread, but the name didn't give a clue as to the real subject. Although, as Mr. H has pointed out, they're not all Schermack (note correct spelling), the notched ones are US Automatic Vending Company. Maybe, Vending & Affixing Machine Perforations would be a better heading? See also this Stamp Smarter link. Thanks for that comment on the spelling, Daniel. That's what happens when I do things in a hurry! I think I have now corrected the error everyplace where it occurred (except in your quote of my original post), and I also revised the thread name (a few times). In the end, I have come to the conclusion that your suggestion makes sense, since that's what is shown in the catalogue image. One limitation with thread names is that there is a limit on the number of characters, and I did think that including the name Schermack in the thread title would be better for searches. The nice thing is that even if I don't get it quite right on the first try, I can always go back and amend it later. |
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Post by daniel on Jan 14, 2024 2:36:32 GMT
This cover, from 1920, shows two Washington coil stamps with bowed side perforations. From an answer given by khj in this thread, I assume that these stamps have been applied by a hand held stamp affixer machine with thin bowed cutting blades.  |
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khj
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Post by khj on Jan 14, 2024 7:26:24 GMT
Of course, I wasn't there, but my assumption would be along those lines. This happens with a lot of blades after prolonged use, even thick blades. Two of my decades old office paper cutters have started to make "bowed" cuts. One is due to blade warped (probably somebody tried to cut too much paper at one time), and the other is either the arm attachment is damaged or the baseplate edge is warped. Either way, it's a mechanical issue.
So even though I wasn't there in 1920, I still blame it on the cutting blade (most likely from some dispensing/affixing device).
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