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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 15:43:27 GMT
this is a pretty accurate color representation scan GB QV Sc# 43...but are they #43 or #43a? Plate 8 is #43, but Plates 9 and 112 were used for both vermillion (#43) and dull vermillion (#43a) Plate 9 looks close in color to plate 8, whereas plate 11 is more orangish... but not sure I can see it be duller..if anything it seems more "vermillion" What do you think?  |
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Post by renden on Apr 28, 2019 16:31:18 GMT
this is a pretty accurate color representation scan Plate 9 looks close in color to plate 8, whereas plate 11 is more orangish... but not sure I can see it be duller..if anything it seems more "vermillion" What do you think? .First 2, L+C..more like Carmine Vermillion or Scarlet Vermillion..?..R..Brown red......this based on your scan and SG's Colour Key and my screen and eyes......not like a "live" assessment !! - René |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 16:43:21 GMT
So renden would you think it qualifys as "pale" in comparison? Or just an variation? I wish I had more of this stamp, but I do not for comparison...I need a Plate 8 or 12..maybe... |
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Post by renden on Apr 28, 2019 18:47:15 GMT
So renden would you think it qualifys as "pale" in comparison? Or just an variation? I wish I had more of this stamp, but I do not for comparison...I need a Plate 8 or 12..maybe... Looking at the right one, it is more like a "dull vermillion" based on SG colour Key or simply a pale red (not in the Colour Key) but the French use it a lot in their variations. I am not into plates, Stan - like to read about them but that is all !! René |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 19:54:24 GMT
unfortunately I only have the simplified SG catalogue, and my specialized on QV is older and in black and white..... Hmmm, I wonder if they just sell it?
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Post by renden on Apr 28, 2019 20:54:53 GMT
unfortunately I only have the simplified SG catalogue, and my specialized on QV is older and in black and white..... Hmmm, I wonder if they just sell it? Doing GB like you are.......get the Colour Key from Stan Gibbons. I use it for UK- Br Colonies, even CANADA (a former British Crown Colony)......and add all the Colonies.......for France - different.....so I have colour keys from there - not as great as I would like but ....... For the Small Queens(Canada)......Color tables from Richard Morris  René Cannot wait to see the colours of those "red" ones.(dups)....have 4 only - it is a start - 1 Penny Black - nice gift from late dad when I was a teen collector.....and I have the info to do the study....plating |
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Post by frstamp on Apr 28, 2019 21:36:41 GMT
Hello, Just to reply to this post and a previous one. Your scan
Your scan has a noticeable blue tinge in the perfs - more on the reason later Fortunately the info and EXIF settings are preserved in the scan so I simply removed the blue and got this  which is hopefully getting truer to the original
The 2 left ones are basically the same if you check the bottom right sides
The far left one appears to have toning in a few spots so that distorts the color. The far right definitely has an orange tint
As to the color name - 10 different catalogues = 10 different colors so no comment on that. To answer your other post or at least comment on it
The info shows you used a LIDE300 to scan this and some thoughts on getting a LIDE400 The 400 has some minor advantages but not in color management The LIDE series work on what is termed CIS technology - how the image is interpreted
This tech is common on slim scanners and almost all the 3-in-one types To get much better color rendition and better depth of field you need to get a scanner that uses CCD tech as in the better cameras. There are a few good choices from Epson & Canon
The ones that are reasonable are the Epson V600 and Canon 9000F
I have both and an older LIDE
They tend to each have their strengths and issues but the Canon is incredibly fast. A full color sheet at 300DPI in 5 secs Now as for your color issue - you mentioned the color on the scan looked OK but then the jpg was off.
Scanners on light greys, lilacs, beige have an issue - not so much in the scanner but how the info is transferred to the image viewer
I use a twain connection with PhotoshopCS6 and get good results but with an image viewer like Irfanview not so much
Since Photoshop is not everyone's answer you might try a default to a different image viewer
First of all stick to the black background - overall it is the best -especially for contrast
You use Viewscan which is by far the best software available
You can try saving the scan as a Tiff instead of a JPG. Tiffs give better colors but are much bigger.
Personally I don't scan more than 300DPI for forum posts and admin can confirm that if your image is too large most forums and image sites downsize the image and the resulting quality. OK enough - any other posts won't be so involved.
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 21:55:47 GMT
one S G ColorKey shipping tomorrow!
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 28, 2019 22:05:33 GMT
frstampamazing you got all that info from the scan (if you ever have an idle moment, I'd love to know how to know that sort of detail!)! Your scan is much brighter than the actual stamps, although it does look better without the bluish edge to the white margins. Normally i scan at 300 dpi, but I've been focused on getting accurate plate numbers- hence the 2400 dpi. Today I've been having best success with a "Laura Gray" background, but if I could get the black background to be consistent I'd gladly stick with that. I'll look into the scanners you mentyioned. Thanks much for taking the time comment (and welcome again to TSF!) Cheers Stan
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Post by frstamp on Apr 29, 2019 12:20:39 GMT
Today I've been having best success with a "Laura Gray" background, but if I could get the black background to be consistent I'd gladly stick with that. From my photography days, what is called 18% Gray was considered the best standard backdrop so it may well be the best solution for scanning. I think I might try it as your note caused some memory recollections.
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Post by angore on Apr 29, 2019 15:37:31 GMT
I still have my Kodak 18% neutral gray card. It used to be important for color balance in different lighting conditions. Some cameras still allow using it to set custom white balance. I also used it for metering but recall I had to add a 1/2 or full f stop to get the right exposure.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 29, 2019 16:33:43 GMT
All this talk about scanning and the colours produced got me to thinking about what I have - a Canon AIO MG7520, Canon scanning software and VueScan, hereinafter referred as VS. Each stamp was a separate scan.
I just did what most people would do... throw the stamp on the glass and "Push The Button", as the Chemical Brothers sang in their great album of the same name. So... here is what I ended up with. I should note that I printed out two squares, 18% grey on the left and 50% grey on the right. The top two are from Canon, the bottom two VS. (had to save reduced quality jpg to upload here)
Maybe when I have time and the inclination, I'll futz around with VS to see just what I can come up with.
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 29, 2019 17:00:39 GMT
Peter
isn't the 18" on the right? Hmm, I just looked at several images and I would have thought that 50% gray would be darker (obviously never got much into photography) I may have to try a darker gray to see what it does
so much to learn
and as you noted, VueScan seems to make things much brighter- I typically have to adjust this in iPhoto (warmth) I wish VS had an intensity setting
Thanks for posting!
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Post by frstamp on Apr 29, 2019 18:01:57 GMT
Do you use Vuescan Standard or Pro Standard is limited. Pro takes care of the color balance & intensity Also how the scanner outputs the image A lot to take in but once you match the Vuescan to the scanner, the images come out fine.
NOTE these are not my settings or those I recommend - just a sample of the Color section - I keep profiles of the actual settings
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 29, 2019 18:16:45 GMT
VS Pro settings are somewhat similar brightness all proportional, but much lower
color space settings all to sRGB
With lilacs I have to turn intensity way, an on some images a white backgrounds works best. The bright intensity is something I wish could be more easily correct...but perhaps the CCD scanner will help ths
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 29, 2019 20:38:37 GMT
I use the Pro settings, but I forgot... I have new computer, so the settings I had on the old one are gone, and the current settings are default, except for the "Color Balance", which is set to White Balance. All pretty much what you show in the "Color" options, frstamp. I've been too busy designing & printing album pages & mounting all my stamps, plus the weather has finally started warming up. So stamp time has decreased somewhat. Not that I don't get out in winter & snowshoe etc... I tried to find SG Colour Key, but can't. So I am going to look around at paint shops, Canadian Tire etc for some sort of colour key. Also want to find professionally printed colour cards with 18% brightness for grey, or something similar, and true black. |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 29, 2019 21:20:35 GMT
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Post by renden on Apr 29, 2019 21:29:23 GMT
I tried to find SG Colour Key, but can't. So I am going to look around at paint shops, Canadian Tire etc for some sort of colour key. Also want to find professionally printed colour cards with 18% brightness for grey, or something similar, and true black. - Pete Bought mine directly from Stanley Gibbons, U.K.....a little pricey but not different from other accessories......  René |
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 29, 2019 23:28:15 GMT
I checked SG web site but can't find their key, renden mdstamp looks like a sure thing. Thanks, stainlessb ! |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 30, 2019 1:30:32 GMT
for frstamp I took two scans- one using the settings I had and one using the settings you showed. The actual stamp is somewhere between the two, using your settings the paper margin colors was much coloser, but almost a very pale reddish bleed, but the green was a bit more washed out. Using my settings , the margins/stamp too bright, as was the green, but not sure if it wasn't just a bit closer to actual "green". Scans are at 2400 dpi 1 pass. Both show the (several) flaws in this stamp (diagonal fold across "nose" and the beginning of a tear top, just left of center. and backgrounds... notice the interpretation of same background , different setting... and PMGS worked very different from one image to the next. so what does this mean...BTHOOM! I am going to (over) induldge and buy a better scanner with CCD...still not sure whether the Canon or the Epson, but as the Canon looks like it may be out of production, leaning towards the Epson. 6500K bulb for light(s) arriving tommorow SG colour kety should arrive by end of week. 240 different color 4 x 6 color sheets should arrive by early next week Scanner...shouldn't be too long, pulling trigger soon...I need to... i have "several" hundred penny reds (plate numbers) coming from across the pond.... I don't want to scan and rescan! (more than I already have) I wish I was a "close enough" kind of fellow...... so much to discover, so little I understand <vbs>  stay tuned my original settings  frstamps settings  |
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 30, 2019 1:57:14 GMT
I use Acorn to adjust & straighten out my images. It is a handy app that I already had and knew how to use. Although I do ask some dumb q's to the developer, who is quite prompt & non-condescending in answering them!
I wish I could use it for designing my album pages, but there are too many little problems to turn me away from it.
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Post by renden on Apr 30, 2019 13:09:17 GMT
I took two scans- one using the settings I had and one using the settings you showed. ......... Scans are at 2400 dpi 1 pass. Both show the (several) flaws in this stamp (diagonal fold across "nose" and the beginning of a tear top, just left of center. and backgrounds... notice the interpretation of same background , different setting... and PMGS worked very different from one image to the next. I am going to....... better scanner with CCD. 6500K bulb for light(s) arriving tommorow SG colour kety should arrive by end of week. 240 different color 4 x 6 color sheets should arrive by early next week Scanner...shouldn't be too long, pulling trigger soon...I need to.......... I wish I was a "close enough" kind of fellow..... Stan, I think you work too hard !!!  René |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 30, 2019 13:12:09 GMT
I haven't broke a sweat yet!
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Post by renden on Apr 30, 2019 13:23:34 GMT
I haven't broke a sweat yet! Great !! maybe you do not sweat  BTW can you refresh my memory on the 2 scanners that were recommended - Canon...I cannot get in Canada.......All Epsons have CCD tech so why pay more.....I am cheap on scanners - Used to have a LIDE 200 in my Motorthome but an all-purpouse one is "the rigueur" if you want to print etc. but my Canon will not deliver a decent scan for this Forum - Plant to go to Staples Ca and check their flatbeds and I have VueScan X64 René |
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Post by stainlessb on Apr 30, 2019 13:30:10 GMT
Epson V600
The Canon 9000F appears to be either out of production or on it's way-
oh, sweat is something I have known now and again, especially when the weather get's into the high 90's and 100's (F)-
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Post by renden on Apr 30, 2019 13:38:31 GMT
Epson V600 The Canon 9000F appears to be either out of production or on it's way- oh, sweat is something I have known now and again, especially when the weather get's into the high 90's and 100's (F)- This one is available on Amazon.ca......Canon CanoScan 9000F MKII Color Image Scanner.........different than the 9000F which I cannot find and very expensive here !! I hate the ImageGarden software used for these Canons - deleted mine - I will check for an Epson - Thanks Stan René |
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Post by stevew on Apr 30, 2019 14:44:08 GMT
I had a Canon CanoScan 8400F which I used for many years until just recently. It started introducing faint vertical lines, which is no good for photos and old documents & ephemera which are the main things I scan. But it lasted well beyond expected life, and I was very happy with it. The software sucked, but it worked great when using with VueScan. I have two 3-in-1's (one an Epson, the other a Canon). Their scanners are fine for copying tax forms, but not for anything worth archiving. The new scanner I got to replace the old Canon is the Epson Perfection V600. I'm very satisfied with it. I would put the quality for photo, ephemera, and stamps on par with the old Canon. Have not tried slides yet. The build quality seems good, and there was no detectable dust on the underside of the glass. It does have one cool feature the Canon didn't have that I will definitely use for certain things. In VueScan, a new option is exposed that wasn't there for the old Canon. It's called "Show Texture", and apparently it changes the angle of the light, which brings out any 3-dimensional aspects to the object being scanned. For instance, I think it would be useful for embossed stamps and stamped envelopes. I also plan to use it for old documents that have wax seals or impressed seals.
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Post by angore on Apr 30, 2019 15:26:58 GMT
I have an Epson V600 and use the Epson scan software. I tried Vuescan but without calibration / setting tweaking it does not do as well out of the box.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 30, 2019 21:04:04 GMT
I should dust off my old HP ScanJet G4010 and see how that works. It is a large, wired, hefty dedicated scanner. It doesn't print a thing!
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Post by brightonpete on May 1, 2019 2:17:16 GMT
And to think I was going to sell my HP ScanJet G4010!
Using the same settings in VueScan as with the previous message (above...), I get this result. This one was scanned at 2400 DPI. But the colours look so much more saturated. Bolder reds & blacks. I had the same result with the 50% grey background. But it looks so much better. Maybe that is just due to the size of the scanned image. With some futzing with all the preferences in VueScan, I could probably get it to look perfect. Maybe I'll work on it and see if I can get a general setting that looks good for all, or at least write down what settings work best with which colours.
Compared to the Canon AIO, it is very noisy. Canon = silent. HP almost sounds like a jet airplane starting up when I first click on the "Scan" button.
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