JeffS
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Posts: 2,842
What I collect: Oranges Philately, US Slogan Cancels, Cape of Good Hope Triangulars, and Texas poster stamps and cinderellas
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Post by JeffS on Jul 27, 2020 11:38:05 GMT
I see no problem with the current process.
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Admin
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2020 12:00:01 GMT
I am of the opinion that the required introduction, which is clearly made known several times during the application process, is a common courtesy akin to introducing oneself when meeting someone new at a business meeting or social event.
The intro gives the broader membership an opportunity to learn something about the new member (dependent, of course, on the amount of info they choose to share). It also allows the membership to welcome all who are new to our group and that, hopefully, encourages them to participate more fully.
For management purposes, the introduction is the final step in the applicant screening process and serves a means to stop spammers from polluting the forum with their garbage and causing sometimes significant effort on the part of the moderator team to clean up the mess. This is because a New Member is only able to post in the New Member section until their membership status has been adjusted.
Were it not for the requirement, we would likely have several hundred more non-participating "members" who would never make a post. Those individuals can do that now by viewing the Forum as "guests." The added numbers would make us look much larger but the reality would remain that only a handful actually participated.
Why join a forum or club if you never intend to participate?
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vikingeck
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Posts: 3,550
What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 27, 2020 12:40:30 GMT
It seems to be a facet of any forum, not just TSF. The curious may make an initial post then find they haven’ t the patience to check out the rules and procedures, it does take a few tries to find your way round any forum, where and how to search, how to post an image etc.
Patience is not a common virtue in the age of instant response.
For years I was a regular member of another forum which boasts a huge ( many 1000s membership and 1,000,000s of posts). Closer examination of the stats there reveals at least 80% of their starter newcomers give up before their 10th post but still remain counted as “members”, many never post at all, and vast numbers of the “posts” are not stamp related but merely repetitious number games which distort the genuine topic related messages.
All Forums seem to depend on a solid core of members , maybe fewer than 10% , who keep active .
So Admin we are not alone in the “ one call visitor “ scene but we are honest and friendly and hope that will come across with the many welcome messages a newcomer gets.
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Post by ckildegaard on Jul 27, 2020 17:13:41 GMT
I am of the opinion that the required introduction, which is clearly made known several times during the application process, is a common courtesy akin to introducing oneself when meeting someone new at a business meeting or social event.... It may be a courtesy, perhaps even socially expected in some circles, but I wouldn't require it. This strikes me as similar to college professors who grade students on whether they talk in class or not. Some students aren't comfortable talking, don't have anything useful to say at the time, etc. The more productive way to get students (or any community members) to speak is to provide an environment that encourages it. Obviously this isn't a college course, and people join forums, presumably, to discuss things, but my point is that people participating in a hobby might not want to be subject to requirements; it's a hobby, after all, not a school or a job. Most people would probably introduce themselves anyway (in my experience running an online group). I understand your vested interest in keeping clutter off of the forum (and appreciate it), and I also understand not wanting to have hoards of inactive members. Some forums handle this by purging inactive members after a certain length of time. I just feel that granting full access and expecting *any* productive post (not necessarily an introduction) in a certain period of time would be sufficient. All of that said, I respect that you have taken up leadership in this community, and you feel that this is the best way of working things for your own leadership style. I just wanted to give my two cents as to a reason why some people might not ever end up making that post. I'm a pretty social person and it was a little bit iffy for me to join a place that required it; the more anxious or shy collectors may turn around and look the other way, or join but then change their mind. It is indeed a welcoming place and I have never felt disrespected or unsafe here, but being required to make an intro post may not *feel* welcoming to some.
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Admin
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Post by Admin on Jul 27, 2020 17:58:12 GMT
For awareness, 105 brave souls who joined us made their introductory post and never posted again. Another 53 went above and beyond and posted for a second time before going silent.
I had considered purging our rolls of the inactive members, now totaling 230, but realized that doing so would cause all of the posts that they had made to reflect "Deleted Member" in the mini-profile. Instead, I opted for adding them to an Inactive group and including the text "Inactive" to their profile. The latter was done so that active members wouldn't "tag" or PM them and expect a reply.
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renden
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Posts: 9,162
What I collect: Canada-USA-France-Lithuania-Austria--Germany-Mauritius-French Colonies in Africa
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Post by renden on Jul 27, 2020 18:17:59 GMT
Great work Admin !! We are lucky - René
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Jerry B
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Rest in Peace
Marietta, Georgia USA
Posts: 1,485
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Post by Jerry B on Jul 27, 2020 21:03:24 GMT
Hi angore
I disagree.
Asking for an introduction is like asking for references. If a potential member doesn't want to write an introduction then that person is most likely to not participate in any of the hundreds of forums on this site. It is a way of weeding out the "onsies", the ones that ask a question and adios.
Jerry B
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bobstew617
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Posts: 376
What I collect: Switzerland, Ireland, Scandinavia, Channel Islands, Hong Kong (British Admin), PNG, others...
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Post by bobstew617 on Aug 22, 2020 19:43:59 GMT
I guess I come down on the opposite side of the argument. If someone can;t take the effort to answer one email and then make one introduction, they most likely would not have been better than a lurker.
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philatelia
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Captain Jack - my best kiloware find ever!
Posts: 3,655
What I collect: Ireland, Japan, Scandy, USA, Venezuela, Vatican, Bermuda, Austria
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Post by philatelia on Aug 22, 2020 20:17:39 GMT
This is a tough call. If we make the hurdles too many and too high, we risk driving away potentially awesome members, but make them too easy and we're flooded with onesies and lurkers. The current system seems to be well balanced as the flood of new members shows.
I doubt if there is anything more we can do to increase retention. These folks are being given numerous warm and welcoming messages for their initial posts and a tremendous amount of encouragement to join in. If they are drifting away, then they were probably not a good fit for the group. You can't hammer a square peg in a round hole, eh?
The ONLY wacky Terri idea that I can dream up is to have a monthly or bimonthly giveaway for new members ONLY - for example - any one who has been a member for less than a year is eligible. Old timer Members could post a pic of a few stamps that they are throwing in the hat for the Newcomer giveaway. If you like this idea, I'd be happy to be the Ringmaster and do the drawings. Everyone who "donates" mails their prize to the designated winner. Those envelopes with postage are almost prizes in themselves!
We could also add a site wide monthly drawing that EVERYONE is eligible to join with a similar set up. You post a pic of a donation to the drawing and one winner wins the whole pile. It could be really fun! I actually like this idea better than the birthday club because everyone has an equal chance to win every month.
See what I mean about wacky terri ideas? HAHA!!
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tomiseksj
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Woodbridge, Virginia, USA
Posts: 6,385
What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Aug 22, 2020 21:02:01 GMT
Let me add another data point to that which my good friend, Admin, provided above.
Since I began keeping track, 265 individuals have either: a) requested membership and then never responded to the email confirming their understanding of two key "rules," or b) have been granted membership after confirming their understanding but then never posted the required introduction.
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kasvik
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Posts: 607
What I collect: Cancels mostly, especially Sweden Gävle and Lidingö, Switzerland Geneva, Germany Pforzheim
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Post by kasvik on Aug 23, 2020 0:09:40 GMT
I guess I come down on the opposite side of the argument. If someone can;t take the effort to answer one email and then make one introduction, they most likely would not have been better than a lurker. Agreed. I don't have a clue what's up with hesitant newcomers. It's tough. Stamp are quiet entertainment, not a new all-consuming identity. I vote to be friendly and helpful, but keep the basics in place. The hurdles are low. philatelia Terri's idea is not wacky. It certainly can't hurt.
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Ryan
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Posts: 2,749
What I collect: If I have a catalogue for it, I collect it. And I have many catalogues ....
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Post by Ryan on Aug 23, 2020 16:23:29 GMT
I only take part in any real sense in this forum. I've been a member of a fractals forum for at least 10 years and I'm averaging a solid 1.0 posts per year on that one. On a racing forum I'm not quite able to keep up a rate of 0.4 posts per year. Oh well - Lurkers R Us (or Me). I understand the lurking mentality and I don't condemn it. There may come a time again when I have something to say over on those other forums but I'm happy to just watch in the meantime. Gangway, please, Chauncey Gardner coming through! Ryan
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Post by dgdecker on Aug 24, 2020 18:17:00 GMT
I do question what people become members then do nothing further. Truth be, we all have our ways of reasoning for why we do things. i do not spend much time thinking about it.
i am certain from an administrative perspective it must be extremely frustrating. Time and effort goes into the member requests.
when I became a member, it took me a very long time to compose my introduction. What would I say? Would I be interesting? I do not participate much online and I guess I felt “ shy”. It took me time to get over the initial hesitation.
I am so glad I did.
I have no input as to how to resolve.
David
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Post by nick2302 on Sept 17, 2023 16:02:14 GMT
Can someone please tell me why no matter how many threads/conversations I participate in the number that shows my posts never get higher. I have ben stuck at 30 for a long time. I will never get to the magic fifty. Or. is it that somehow, I am doing something wrong that is causing the counter to never increment? Thanks, Nick
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Admin
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2023 16:08:56 GMT
nick2302 , your post count now reflects 31 posts and, using my magic powers, I verified that you have made exactly 31 posts on the forum. If you are using the Quick Reply area to make posts, make sure that you click on the Post Quick Reply button at lower left and not the Reply button at upper right. If you click on the Reply button, that just takes you to the regular post creation area to allow you to continue editing. It may appear that your post has been uploaded but you are still in post creation mode. If you navigate away before clicking the Create Post button at lower right, your work will not have been posted.
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Post by nick2302 on Sept 17, 2023 16:46:27 GMT
Thank you for the guidance. To tell you the truth I never noticed the "POST QUICK REPY" button. I thought REPLY was the most important button as it is bright blue and right in your face. How I missed the Quik reply I have no excuse for. I appreciate your quick response, Nick
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Admin
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Post by Admin on Sept 17, 2023 16:51:51 GMT
You're up to 32 now so it seems the post count is working.
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Post by nick2302 on Sept 18, 2023 20:13:42 GMT
I wish more members would post their ideas, thoughts, on subjects that are covered on stamps and how it impacts us as collectors, and citizens of the world. Interaction is always a positive in my opinion. If we disagree, well, that is okay. No reason to get hostile. I think a lot of people don't want to get into with anyone or be criticized for their thoughts. Which in my mind, is not great when someone attacks another person's thoughts on a subject. Rational adults should be able to give and take and still remain civil and even might a bit of education. Especially some younger collectors who want to find out about the world and events that have happened before they were born. I know my children are not as knowledgeable about various countries in the world. That is why I became a worldwide collector so I could learn. That was a feeling that was sparked in school by a teacher I admired. Now 50 or 60 years later that wanting to know is still moving me forward with stamp collecting. In my opinion stamp collecting opens the world up and educates in a non-threatening way. The stamp commemorates events, and educates about daily living in that particular county. It is time well spent.
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preynolds
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Posts: 18
What I collect: Canada (Essex County, ON postmarks), US
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Post by preynolds on Oct 29, 2024 20:09:51 GMT
I had no issue with creating an introductory post. I think it's a great idea. But now, as a collector who has recently returned to the fold, I'm not sure what to post. Most questions I have can be answered by searching the forum, and I don't feel like I have the expertise to make meaningful posts.
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tomiseksj
Moderator
Woodbridge, Virginia, USA
Posts: 6,385
What I collect: Worldwide stamps/covers, Cinderellas, Ohio Prepaid Sales Tax Receipts, U.S. WWII Ration ephemera
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Post by tomiseksj on Oct 29, 2024 23:16:20 GMT
... I don't feel like I have the expertise to make meaningful posts. Share images of some of your collection, tell us what it is that brought you to collect it or what it is that you like about it; post items that you are having difficulty identifying; contribute on the Postmark calendar thread, the Watcha Been Stampin thread, or the Today's Mail thread, for example; post images of stamps with descriptions that fit any of the many topical threads. We welcome contributions by collectors of every level of expertise and no one who wants to remain a Forum member will ever criticize or belittle.
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anglobob
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Posts: 2,602
What I collect: France and French Colonies,French cinderellas British Commonwealth QE2
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Post by anglobob on Oct 29, 2024 23:33:02 GMT
preynoldsI like to see different postmarks and notice in your profile you collect postmarks too.Show some of these and other items you have. Anglobob
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JeffS
Member
Posts: 2,842
What I collect: Oranges Philately, US Slogan Cancels, Cape of Good Hope Triangulars, and Texas poster stamps and cinderellas
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Post by JeffS on Oct 30, 2024 12:38:12 GMT
I had no issue with creating an introductory post. I think it's a great idea. But now, as a collector who has recently returned to the fold, I'm not sure what to post. Most questions I have can be answered by searching the forum, and I don't feel like I have the expertise to make meaningful posts. A suggestion, if you encounter a post which you find quite interesting in which the poster has taken extra effort, why not take a moment to post a line or two about what you liked about it - perhaps a topic you were unaware of, or a topic which brought you new information on a topic, or a simple thank-you for taking the time to create a post.
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TimG
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Posts: 230
What I collect: Worldwide
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Post by TimG on Oct 30, 2024 19:30:47 GMT
I joined the forum to ask questions and read responses to questions I never thought of asking. I try to daily engage the Forum in some way - as a kind of discipline. Not everything I see posted is of interest to me but I've found many things that are. Now I did post an intro because I was asked to and it wasn't so intrusive or difficult. Of course I could imagine many reasons why someone wouldn't post an intro or not engage because I was a pastor of a church, where people joined, but then never came back after getting whatever it was they wanted. People are people, frustrating and fantastic, annoying and enjoyable. I'm just thankful for the people engaged in this Forum who make it a friendly and fun place to visit once or more a day.
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Post by carabop on Oct 30, 2024 22:04:28 GMT
Thanks for the suggestion JeffS. If I would have responded to posts that would be helpful to me I would also have an easier time finding the post again.
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sharonb
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Posts: 63
What I collect: Used only - Australia, Great Britain, Canada, Ireland, Western Europe, and Scandinavia, from 1900 to date. That keeps me busy. To be honest I am trying to avoid becoming a WW collector.
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Post by sharonb on Oct 31, 2024 12:37:25 GMT
I think sometimes people feel they have little contribute. They join to learn but don't feel they have enough knowledge to contribute so they continue reading until one day they feel they have something to offer.
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