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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 16, 2022 16:28:07 GMT
Vintage Album Page Headers Customized for Use on Hagner Stock SheetsMost of you know by now that I formerly used pre-printed albums, but I have switched in the last 2-3 years over to Hagner stock sheets. But I like the look and feel of vintage album page headers, so I have tried to incorporate those into my collection. I started by simply cutting out the actual page headers from old albums that I bought in mixed lots, but the main problem there is that the original headers are too big vertically to fit neatly on a stock page with 7 or 8 rows in it. Composite image showing original vintage album pages (circa 1901-1909) and a few other headers at the top, and images printed from scans at the bottom. So, I have started scanning and reprinting the headers, which allows me to reduce the size so that it will fit into pages with shorter strip heights. I have also learned how to further customize the headers by manipulating the images. As you can see in the photo above, some pages are split between two countries. In those cases, I am able to use MS PowerPoint to modify the images to create a header for a single country out of one that originally had two. I find that it works quite well. Patti ( pattib ) contacted me by PM to ask which albums I have been using for these vintage page headers, so I have decided to show my previous post about these (above), and then provide the two cover pages from those albums. Left: Title Page for The Imperial Stamp Album for British Colonial and Foreign Postage Stamps, printed in Germany, but no publisher is identified This album was published between 1901-1910, because Edward VII is depicted as the British Monarch. This is the album that I have been using mainly as the template for all of the headers, as I like the double-line outline on three sides of the header with single line at the bottom. Right: Title Page for the 19th Edition of The Strand Stamp Album for the Postage Stamps of the World, published by Stanley Gibbons Ltd. This album was published in 1936, because Edward VIII is listed as the British Monarch. I didn't like the layout of the headers as well from this album, but I have used elements from some of them when I have needed to fabricate my own single-country header for entities that don't have their own header in the older Imperial Album. Patti, if you need further information, please respond to this post or send me another PM, whichever you prefer.
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Post by pattib on Jan 16, 2022 17:40:27 GMT
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Post by classicalstamps on Jan 16, 2022 18:26:22 GMT
I expect to finish my Albania album next week. A4 double sided which information on the left-side. All pages are a mix of stamps, plating/varieties, postmarks, postal history, general history, maps and images that tells the story behind the stamp.
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Post by classicalstamps on Jan 16, 2022 18:37:39 GMT
A few more images showing different types of "content". In total, Albania to 1945 ends up being 82 (double) pages. I have worked on the project with a "partner-in-crime", it has been great collaborating on a project like this. We plan to do many more counties in similar fashion.
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Post by eggdog on Jan 18, 2022 3:22:24 GMT
A few more images showing different types of "content". In total, Albania to 1945 ends up being 82 (double) pages. I have worked on the project with a "partner-in-crime", it has been great collaborating on a project like this. We plan to do many more counties in similar fashion. classicalstamps , these pages are epic. Just from reading the ones you posted, I learned a lot of things I either never knew or knew only as isolated facts without any context in which to fit them. Historical philatelic analysis at its finest. Thanks! Most of you know by now that I formerly used pre-printed albums, but I have switched in the last 2-3 years over to Hagner stock sheets. But I like the look and feel of vintage album page headers, so I have tried to incorporate those into my collection. I started by simply cutting out the actual page headers from old albums that I bought in mixed lots, but the main problem there is that the original headers are too big vertically to fit neatly on a stock page with 7 or 8 rows in it. Beryllium Guy , I had to look up "stock sheets" and I still didn't get very far, though that might be me. Are the Hagner sheets similar to Varios? If not, what are the differences? To me, LaTeX is another take on a mark up language (back to way documents were initially created using a computer text editor - mainframe then PC) before we got WYSIWYG. Once someone has defined a style, it makes any text look professional. Completely agree with you what I like it for is the distraction-free way to compose, plus with every word processor package presenting different ways to accomplish things, it is sometimes easier. I also like the ability to define an item and refer to it with a backslash and some of the math features it allows. iswscwebmaster and angore , you both got further along than I ever did. Much further, and my sincere congratulations. I decided one fine day to typeset my late uncle's typewritten doctoral dissertation in LaTeX and then put a .pdf of it on the web for people to read, all the while learning about LaTeX, or such was the plan. 110 pages, five months, about 75 document-generation-fault messages that might as well have been written in cuneiform, and a nice fat hit of bursitis later, I had a document with a lousy font I didn't pick out, random variations in the font size, line spacing, and indents, footnotes that had nothing to do with anything, and more spelling errors than I usually make in three years. I ended up finding some freeware that did a crappy but serviceable enough job of converting LaTeX to Word 97 (sometimes you take what you can get and smile about it), converted that pile of slop to ASCII, ended my longtime love affair with GNU Emacs, got a Windows computer, changed my legal name to Ptolemy Eggdog, and renounced the world and all its illusions. I was going to start over in LibreOffice, but I didn’t get very far. I couldn't face going through the whole thing again; and along the way, I showed part of it to two ministers (the author, my uncle, was in divinity school, and the dissertation was about John Milton of Paradise Lost fame), and neither of them were very impressed with the content. Pieces of the dissertation are still sitting on my computer somewhere, I think.
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Post by angore on Jan 18, 2022 11:17:31 GMT
@ eggdog , Hagner stock sheets are stiff black card stock with strips of plastic bonded at bottom of each strip to hold stamps. Vario pages are similar in function but are all plastic with similar pockets but also closed on each end. I know some do not like Varios because they are shiny (not frosted) so they have a more plastic look. I use Varios but if they had white Hagners I would use them when added to an album since they blend in better but then the black helps you find them faster! When working with large complex Microsoft Word files even with Master Documents it seems it is a matter of not if the file gets corrupted but when. Always keep multiple revisions so you can back go back. I did documents in Word at work and sometimes would end up with a paragraph symbol that could not be deleted.
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 18, 2022 12:17:47 GMT
I decided one fine day to typeset my late uncle's typewritten doctoral dissertation in LaTeX and then put a .pdf of it on the web for people to read, all the while learning about LaTeX, or such was the plan. 110 pages, five months, about 75 document-generation-fault messages that might as well have been written in cuneiform, and a nice fat hit of bursitis later, I had a document with a lousy font I didn't pick out, random variations in the font size, line spacing, and indents, footnotes that had nothing to do with anything, and more spelling errors than I usually make in three years. I thought LaTeX was so cool, but I'm so happy I didn't bother with it, especially after reading this!
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 18, 2022 14:28:48 GMT
Thanks for your question, eggdog. It seems like Al ( angore) has already answered it, explaining the difference between Hagner and Vario pages, or stock sheets, as I tend to call them. I ended up choosing the Hagner over the Vario because I prefer the cardboard backing behind the stamps, which seems stiffer than the all-plastic Vario pages, which seem a bit flimsy to me. If you want to see an example of a Hagner stock sheet, please have a look at this post and others in the same thread: thestampforum.boards.net/post/119641/thread
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 18, 2022 14:43:51 GMT
I agree with Chris (Beryllium Guy ) WRT the difference between Hagner & Vario. I have a bunch of East German in Vario's and I'm hoping to get them transferred to Album Easy pages one of these days. Sitting in a binder, they flex and are quite flimsy. I hope all will be OK in them until... The Hagner types are easier to insert stamps, plus they are backed by thin cardboard which keeps everything much flatter and safer.
I find the larger format Vario's good for covers though.
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 18, 2022 14:50:06 GMT
regarding stock pages, I with angore It would be nice if they were a bit stiffer, but I find the bond between the clear stip and "page" seems to hold up longer than the cardstock alternatives (which I now will cut up and use when I am sending small lots of stamps to someone (larger just go in a glassine)
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 18, 2022 23:23:52 GMT
First mark-up print (on white paper) France Sage Type II 2 centimes Yvert #85 m,If I find a really nice cancellation I might add a space, but this far, nothing earth-shattering as I separate by Types and group by colors If anyone sees something I've obviously missed please let me know!
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Post by eggdog on Jan 19, 2022 3:15:34 GMT
Hagner stock sheets are stiff black card stock with strips of plastic bonded at bottom of each strip to hold stamps. Sometimes auction winnings come in sheets that look like this: I realize that I just uploaded the most boring .jpg ever posted on TSF, but sometimes I just can't help myself. Is that a Hagner sheet - one that has seen better days, like the ones that hold auction goodies usually are? From looking at the link Beryllium Guy provided to that lovely Germany collection, I think not. And if it isn't, what is it? The plastic strip only covers about ½ or ⅔ of the row, not the whole area. And I've never seen one that doesn't look pretty beat up, so I think it's either a cheap knockoff or a different product entirely. When working with large complex Microsoft Word files even with Master Documents it seems it is a matter of not if the file gets corrupted but when. WordPerfect had master documents down to a T. I made one with 300 pages, and that was on a 16-bit 386. One fine day I wrote a short science-fiction story about a father and son who were transported to the realm of Master Document but got caught on the wrong side of the Section Break; I posted it on a WordPerfect Usenet group to general approval. (Young people reading this may think that a 386 Usenet belongs on a drag strip, but they may not know what a drag strip is either. Buddy, gonna shut you daaaaawwwwwnnnn....)
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Post by classicalstamps on Jan 19, 2022 7:57:41 GMT
If anyone sees something I've obviously missed please let me know! You might consider having the same horizontal distance between the boxes. Now you have 3 different (see my 3 identical red lines). It will make the page "easier on the eye".
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 19, 2022 9:17:38 GMT
Thanks for your latest post, eggdog. I don't think that what you posted is an authentic Hagner sheet. Despite their differences, one important feature that both the Hagner and Vario sheets have in common is that the clear plastic strips cover the entire row where the stamps are supposed to go. I like that because it means that the stamps are fully protected when the sheets are used correctly. Regular stock books or the pretty common black stock cards used by a lot of dealers only have the plastic strips covering ½ or ⅔ of the row, like the sheet you are showing. To be honest, I am not sure if I have ever seen a full-size sheet in that style like the one you are showing, but I don't think it is a Hagner. Al's ( angore) comment about Hagner sheets having had problems with the adhesive going bad after a while and the strips separating and occasionally falling off is a fair one. There was a time period when the product was susceptible to that problem. These days, the manufacturing of Hagner sheets has been licensed, and the maker here in England has assured me that the adhesive issue has been resolved and will not happen as it did in former times. We shall see. To date, I have not had any issues with the stock sheets I have purchased here in the UK over the past 3-4 years. But I do have some older ones that I got from dealers or others with stamps in them that have problems with the adhesive and some of the strips are coming loose. If I encounter any problems with these newer ones, I will post my findings here for all to see, and then probably switch to Vario or some other maker!
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Post by angore on Jan 19, 2022 10:45:16 GMT
I really like the idea of key or description sheets on left side but you have to really plan ahead unless you start using protective sleeves so you can put two pages back to back.
I also get stamps mounted on cut up Vario or Hagners. I toss the better ones in a box so also collect those along with stamps.
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 19, 2022 12:52:47 GMT
In my 3-some give away, the one with the Battle of Hastings on top are Hagner, at least they are to me...
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 19, 2022 12:54:53 GMT
stainlessb I guess the spacing throws off the appearance that the top row has two different size frames!
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 19, 2022 15:17:35 GMT
classicalstamps & brightonpete The stamp frames spacing is how I have done all pages so horizontal spacing probably will not change, on pages with fewer stamps per row it would 'bunch" everything up (foe me anyway) the top three images are the same size image boxes and were scanned at the same size crop. The drawn images vary slightly. The lower images are slightly smaller (0.1 narrower) I can try to enlarge it to match width of the upper images. Spaces is equal (dimensionally) There is more shading on the printed out version than the .jpg image. Lower images for A & C are the same image. I was trying avoid multiple labels Thanks for your comments- I will play with it today!
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Post by angore on Jan 22, 2022 12:01:55 GMT
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 22, 2022 12:37:56 GMT
If I were to start an ASFEC collection, I'd prefer to pick and choose what I would like to be in it. Some would be definitives, or complete commemorative issues. Something that I like would to have, and NOT just one stamp. Album Easy makes that very Easy!
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Post by angore on Jan 22, 2022 12:56:26 GMT
Yes, that is my intention, I also experimented with a horizontal rule. The line is to just have a baseline to add stamps.
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Post by youpiao on Jan 22, 2022 16:22:09 GMT
Sometimes auction winnings come in sheets that look like this: I realize that I just uploaded the most boring .jpg ever posted on TSF, but sometimes I just can't help myself. Is that a Hagner sheet - one that has seen better days, like the ones that hold auction goodies usually are? From looking at the link Beryllium Guy provided to that lovely Germany collection, I think not. And if it isn't, what is it? The plastic strip only covers about ½ or ⅔ of the row, not the whole area. And I've never seen one that doesn't look pretty beat up, so I think it's either a cheap knockoff or a different product entirely. This appears to be a page taken out of a bound stockbook, which has had holes punched to make it loose-leaf. The left margin shows the remnant of the glassine interleaving used in stockbooks. I have created a new thread where I compare the 2 styles of stock sheets - Hagner and Vario, and also compare 2 brands of Vario-style sheets - Varion and Vision (bought from Hobby Lobby). Here is the link: thestampforum.boards.net/thread/8964/comparing-3-brands-stock-sheets
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Post by patate on Jan 24, 2022 14:20:30 GMT
Hi! My first "true" post here: as a student I don't have much budget for my stamp collection and progress rather slowly, but I love reading other people's discussions. I want to share the first pages of a Buzin Birds album I'm currently working on: formatted for European pages (27*29 mm) using Affinity Publisher and xnConvert for the BW conversion. The concise descriptions are from ebird.org. Tips and feedback are very welcome!
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Post by renden on Jan 24, 2022 16:13:17 GMT
patateNice work - you should post more often, time permitting and I am hoping to see "nice stamps" on those pages - Bravo ! René
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Post by eggdog on Jan 25, 2022 2:18:34 GMT
My Belgium collection goes, officially, to 1980. I sometimes wonder if I should keep going, at least through some of the more recent definitive series, and I think you just talked me into it. I tend to write up descriptions of the various wonders of nature I find on stamps, but not with the detail you do. I find nothing to criticize in the layout, which is excellent. I didn't even find any typos. (I made my living as a proofreader for a number of years, and I still read that way - partly because it's a habit, and partly because my personality got deformed in the process and I get a pathological sort of joy in pointing out mistakes .) What does "Perches up considerably" (African stonechat) mean? Isn't Affinity Publisher excellent? I'm so happy not to have to rent InDesign by the month (and I'd say that even if InDesign worked better than it does) without having to sacrifice a single function that I can imagine myself ever needing.
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Post by patate on Jan 25, 2022 9:26:44 GMT
My Belgium collection goes, officially, to 1980. I sometimes wonder if I should keep going, at least through some of the more recent definitive series, and I think you just talked me into it. I tend to write up descriptions of the various wonders of nature I find on stamps, but not with the detail you do. I find nothing to criticize in the layout, which is excellent. I didn't even find any typos. (I made my living as a proofreader for a number of years, and I still read that way - partly because it's a habit, and partly because my personality got deformed in the process and I get a pathological sort of joy in pointing out mistakes .) What does "Perches up considerably" (African stonechat) mean? Isn't Affinity Publisher excellent? I'm so happy not to have to rent InDesign by the month (and I'd say that even if InDesign worked better than it does) without having to sacrifice a single function that I can imagine myself ever needing. Thank you! The description are not mine, but taken from ebird.org. I think that "perches up considerably" means something like "it often settles in an elevated spot". I also love Affinity Publisher! A truly massive software for the price. Hoping to see an iPad version of it soon.
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Post by bart1941 on Jan 25, 2022 19:42:21 GMT
I also create my own album pages, however I cheat and use the White Ace blank pages then overprint them with the borders frames and information about each stamp, I like the White Ace pages because they have specific country headers and they fit in my printer. I collect Denmark and Ireland currently, creating my own pages gives me the ability to collect errors, varieties, unlisted oddities. None of which are usually found in a preprinted album. I create a lot of color pages but limit the number of stamps on each page and tend to all a lot of information and with errors and varieties, I like to show same stamp without the oddity beside it.
I would include an image, but haven't been successful in uploading images yet.
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Post by Admin on Jan 25, 2022 19:50:16 GMT
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Post by banknoteguy on Jan 26, 2022 23:41:11 GMT
I follow this thread whenever it is updated and thank everyone who posts examples of what they make or use. Really useful information rather than just idle chat [which is also OK] I just like good information more!
I find myself drawn in two directions -- one, hand lettered and outlined in white ink on black quadrille paper with very limited annotations. I think if you have any artistic capabilities this looks terrific with most any series of stamps.
Secondly, whenever I see such lovely pages as classicalstamps makes, I want to emulate those but I then have to slap myself from jumping right into such gorgeous layouts.
For now I will continue to try to stay with very sparse layouts and let the stamps speak for themselves more or less using that fine app AlbumEasy.
I have been pretty disciplined over the two and a half years I have been collecting. Limiting my collections to four areas (US 19th century, High value US, Indian Feudatory States -- for a challenge, and US and a few other covers highlighting postal history). I have everything thing in albums (custom) and dups in stockbooks (Safe).
But because of a very good thread on TSF I am toying with adding another collecting area -- New Zealand Chalons. Well maybe I will limit it to a few pages. Ha.
Below is a couple images of one my pages of Banknotes (US)
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Post by iswscwebmaster on Jan 27, 2022 1:18:09 GMT
I was thinking about the LaTeX discussions and while it is a complete mess in terms of work it does produce some pleasing results on occasion. Here is an example of a Topical Page I came up with (I need to start using them and get my collections out of varios, envelopes and other storage media).
When I need to add a page I will only print the second page it should make it easy to continue to add to the collections.
Here is another page I am working on for my Paintings topical collection.
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