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Post by vikingeck on Sept 5, 2019 9:01:13 GMT
This is one especially for kasvik kasvik please? I believe this is a town he is interested in . In all my years collecting Scandinavia I have not come across a cancel like this Can anyone explain it for me ? Is it postal? or is it Revenue use ?  |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 5, 2019 18:21:12 GMT
I am only guessing it's some kind of extra charge for express delivery with appropriate cancel.
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 5, 2019 19:52:17 GMT
I still hope Kasvik can chip in here with the definitive answer
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Post by kasvik on Sept 6, 2019 1:27:00 GMT
This is one especially for kasvik kasvik please? I believe this is a town he is interested in . In all my years collecting Scandinavia I have not come across a cancel like this Can anyone explain it for me ? Is it postal? or is it Revenue use ?
A Postexpedition or Post Dispatch Office essentially was a forwarding service, one step above a post box, sending mail to the main post office for sorting. I assume most were layered into corner shops and such. I don't know enough to judge, but surely other countries had similar services?
I had to check. According to the Swedish Wikipedia article, at its peak in 1958 there were over 1,000 of these broom closets. I don't quite get it; even a regional town like Gävle had around ten real post offices then. Most of those must have been tiny. Wasn't that enough? Apparently not. So local groceries became Post Dispatch Offices. I think I smell political patronage; subsidizing neighborhood trade. And in the stuffy, hierarchical atmosphere of Sweden back then, there was some prestige associated with the job. The staff had their own cancelling stamps. This one reads The Chief Post Dispatcher. Not to be confused with the boy who swept out the joint. |
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Post by stamphinger on Sept 6, 2019 12:44:51 GMT
Those offices sound similar to Contract Post Offices in the U.S.? The Contract Post Offices are in businesses and sell stamps and receive parcels and letters that are sent to regular post offices for dispatch. The employees are not postal employees, but those of the businesses. The contract offices do not receive mail from the official post offices for sorting and delivery.
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Post by stamphinger on Nov 4, 2019 17:09:59 GMT
I want to piggyback on this tread hoping for some background on this moose cancel. This is a cover in an APS sales book and I am thinking of buying it, but I would like to know what it is before doing so.
Does anyone know the history behind this cancel? Is it a legitimate official Swedish postal cancel or is is a private postmark? Looks like a favor cancell.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Nov 4, 2019 22:48:32 GMT
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Post by stamphinger on Nov 5, 2019 0:14:34 GMT
Thank you, BerylliumGuy. That's it! A Boy Scout camp cancel. Good information, much appreciated.
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Post by kasvik on Nov 5, 2019 3:12:28 GMT
I want to piggyback on this tread hoping for some background on this moose cancel. This is a cover in an APS sales book and I am thinking of buying it, but I would like to know what it is before doing so.
Does anyone know the history behind this cancel? Is it a legitimate official Swedish postal cancel or is is a private postmark? Looks like a favor cancell.
Don, you got me to looking. BerylliumGuy nailed it. This was totally new. And for reason. You have to be an aging former Swedish Boy Scout to really know. It's philatelic, but legit; an approved commemorative cancel from a Boy Scout jamboree. Photos at Åvalägret 1950: Sveriges Scoutförbunds förbundsläger 1950 vid Ava. Looks to have been huge. More like this one for sale at Skanfil and elsewhere. I can't figure where the camp is; just somewhere in Sweden. Gotta ask an aging Swedish former Boy Scout. |
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Post by stamphinger on Nov 5, 2019 13:23:19 GMT
Hi kasvik:
Thanks for the links. A good time was being had by all. Seems like Boy Scout camps look alike the world over. If you find out where it was, please post the location. I bought the cover and the camp location will help for my write-up. Also, what does Ava Tyr translate to? I used google translate and it came up Ava Bull?  The bull probably refers to the moose, but what is AVA in English?
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 5, 2019 14:46:55 GMT
Google maps shows a village calledAva on the coast by the E4 road south of UMEA.
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Post by kasvik on Jun 20, 2020 18:54:03 GMT
This has me wondering. A 1960 air mail to Oregon. Why the strange combination of then-current and then-ancient stamps? No return address. The recipient doesn’t Google. What might be going on?
I think normal Swedish trans-Atlantic air mail was 65 öre. But this has SEK 1.59. Huh? High rates might mean registration, but that requires an obvious etiquette.
Adding to the mystery are two 27 öre provisionals, overprinted during the 1918 inflation. In the years after, they were not routine, but one sees them used now and then. The Strindberg commemorative, from ten years before in 1949, is another hint the letter could be philatelic.
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Post by philatelia on Jun 20, 2020 19:22:00 GMT
kasvik , I agree, probably philatelic. Perhaps the sender was a stamp collector with duplicates and was trying to create a philatelic oddity cover with extra stamps for mail being sent to another stamp collector? I’ve done that myself a few times just for fun.
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Post by kasvik on Jan 24, 2022 1:09:48 GMT
Gävle to Paris, a close reading seems to show 1948. Thirty öre did the job back then, normal surface rate? Seems a little high.
 
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Post by kasvik on Jun 18, 2022 17:55:15 GMT
philatelia is absolutely right. Indelible cancellations were the whole point for 170 years, right? Everyone was trying to deter reuse. Thus the British switching in 1840 from black to red ink, then from black to red stamps, later the US Post Office experimenting with grills, etcetera.
But for at least five years PostNord in Sweden--maybe their other countries?--uses water soluble ink. Hell if I know why. I haven't tried to wash off completely, but soaking is disastrous, like handling your own little Wicked Witch of the West, 'I'm melting, I'm melting.' Now and then I try; in the trash, every time. Swedish post offices are wonderful with CTO quality cancellations on a 'philatelist brev'. Usually I'm struggling with an older stamp used that way by a philatelist--not a self-adhesive--and watching the cancellation float into smudgeland. Gotta love it.
vikingeck is absolutely right about Swedish collectors and cancellation centering. That's gotta be partially because Postverket didn't seem to care historically, making nice ones rare. A quick review at www.duv.se/stamplar.html (article is in Swedish; dump it into Google Translate).
gstamps you nailed it; PostNord seems to have replaced cancellation--in those high values at least--with tear-outs cut into their stamps. So long to cancellations; they found a pre-made substitute. It didn't click with me until you said. It's a brilliant idea, for them.
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Post by kasvik on Feb 28, 2024 19:21:53 GMT
Just got a bunch of Swedish curiosities at auction. One justifies a catalogue change.
The Åland cancellation on Swedish stamp is amusing. Not a paquebot from Sweden to Åland. That's a Swedish cancel on a Swedish stamp. There is a village in Sweden called Åland, due west of the Åland islands, near Uppsala. Easy enough to surmise what happened.
The Ockelbo-Gävle railroad cancel, PLK 264, is the earliest known use on that route.
The last railroad, for Gävle-Sala, PLK 252, shows a year never catalogued. Thanks to Carl Cervin for sleuthing the railroad cancels. He’s amazing.
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The bull probably refers to the moose, but what is AVA in English?