daveg28
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Post by daveg28 on Sept 10, 2019 12:25:35 GMT
Here's something new to me that I'm trying to get a better understanding of. So far, my research has told me that it's counterfeit or a reprint. Can anyone give me a little more info or help? How old is it? Is it junk or do I have something interesting? Is it even a postage stamp? You can't tell from the scan, but it does have gum on the back.   image upload |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 10, 2019 13:40:20 GMT
Well Dave the 1st issues for the Argentine Republic, as opposed to the earlier Confederation, issued in 1862 have this design.
The 15centavos is Catalogued about $250 .
However as you have learned they were "reprinted" ie reproduced as counterfeit.
Yours, in spite of the gum, is not genuine. It is a very common fake made way back in the 19th century for collectors who could not get access to the real one. Worth a few cents as a curiosity , no more.
The real colour is Ultramarine blue , the whole print is much crisper than this (In the shield there is a cap of liberty on a stand, the leaves round the badge are clearly defined
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daveg28
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Post by daveg28 on Sept 10, 2019 13:44:51 GMT
vikingeck...You said it was made back in the 19th century. Is there a year...or a range of years...that it would have been from? Honestly, I just want to know how old it is.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Sept 10, 2019 19:40:08 GMT
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Cinderellas and some Ephemera from Great Britain, France and Israel plus a few beautiful bits from elsewhere !! Topical interests include Flags & Judaica, the latter with an emphasis on the Jewish National Fund.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 31, 2022 13:35:12 GMT
I have a three small window cards like the one shown below, with a supposedly slightly expensive stamp and a typed description. The one here purports to be from Argentina and I have just ignored this until now and placed into the 'for later' drawer probably never to be seen again. Then I saw the listing from 'Citystampmontreal' with a stamp (also from Argentina) but more importantly in a similar card to mine and with, what looks like, a very similar typed description !! Has anyone heard of, dealt with or bought from 'citystampmontreal' ? I had a quick look at their listings and they have many, many expensive items including lots of Proofs and Essays. Are they legit ? What do you think. www.ebay.co.uk/itm/360744760195?hash=item53fe103383:g:bYQAAOxyuPtQ~fUIThe cards I have came with a Commonwealth Collection I have been selling for friends. A little out of place perhaps. Queries to the original owner proved to be a dead end. The other two are from Peru and the Dominican Republic. (one was shown long ago if my memory serves me well) Thoughts anyone ? Londonbus1   |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 31, 2022 14:07:08 GMT
Thanks for your post, Michael ( Londonbus1)! City Stamp Montreal is definitely legit. I have visited their offices in downtown Montreal, and I have purchased from them on several occasions. In fact, I actually wrote about them in one of my early TSF Newsletter articles about stamp shops around the world. I bought 2-3 of my high denomination Canada QV Jubilee stamps from them as well as a couple of Cape triangles. I am personally acquainted with the owner, Robert Cooperman, and I can contact him directly if you need info on this. Please WhatsApp, email or PM me, if you wish!  |
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Post by michael on Jan 31, 2022 14:44:54 GMT
I haven't bought from 'Citystampmontreal' but am aware of them, as they frequently come up in my searches. As has been said they are very expensive. The eBay listing detailed by Londonbus1 is poorly described by them as "Argentina #8DP Superb Die Proof In Black". It looks to me (I could be wrong) like the reprints made in 1925 for F.J. Peplow's book, "Proofs of the Rivadavia Stamps of the Argentine Republic, 5 centavos plate C, 10 centavos plate B, 15 centavos plate B". They are often called the
Liechtenstein reprints.
A 1925 reprint, currently on Ebay priced at $99.
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 31, 2022 14:55:19 GMT
Thanks for your post and additional info, michael . Just as a comment, I would add that the margins on LB1's ( Londonbus1 ) proof are large by comparison to the ones you have identified as 1925 reprints. It looks more like what I would expect a die or plate proof to look like. But I freely admit that I have very little knowledge in this area, and I don't think I have any die or plate proofs in my collection. It is interesting that the slip of paper accompanying both the City Stamp offering and LB1's look identical, which suggests that they came from the same source, but of course, it doesn't prove anything, as it would have been simple enough for someone to have kept the slip of paper but exchanged the stamp for another. |
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Cinderellas and some Ephemera from Great Britain, France and Israel plus a few beautiful bits from elsewhere !! Topical interests include Flags & Judaica, the latter with an emphasis on the Jewish National Fund.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Jan 31, 2022 16:17:56 GMT
Thank you both Beryllium Guy & michael. I have found a lot of Argentina 'proofs' in recent searches. Here is another lot from eBay for $125 for 16 types. You can see a similar one to the one I have but with a different value. It seems like Proofs and Essays abound in Argentina !!  |
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Post by paul1 on Jun 17, 2022 15:01:59 GMT
Hi all - I'm curious as to the meaning - if any - of what I assume is possibly an unusual postmark. It looks like the rear two thirds of a horse standing by a tree with branches. The stamp is an Argentinian 3c grey showing Mariano Moreno, from a set of definitives which look to be called 'Personalities', and which date to 1935. It's an amusing and oddball mark - it may mean something special, but no idea. thanks.  |
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