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Post by stainlessb on Dec 22, 2019 21:42:50 GMT
Sorting through what seems like an endless of envelopes full of stamps with no particular relationship to much else in the envelope. 1938- top Sc #Q210, mid Sc# MQ01m, and bottom Sc#Q209 I'm hoping Q208 is hiding somewhere  |
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Post by renden on Dec 22, 2019 21:45:12 GMT
stainlessb I know that they are "french" but probably not from FRANCE itself - so where....the horn should tell me but at this hour I am lazy !!!
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 22, 2019 22:43:36 GMT
Whern you wish upon..... a stamp! Sc# Q208  |
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 5, 2020 0:43:10 GMT
not the surcharged winged wheel stamps, but this seemesd a better place to post I purchased a small lot of newspaper stamps as well as a few miscellaneous, including these imperforated TR44, 45 and 47. The perforated stamps are ones I already have and I was comparing as I do not find these in COB, and in truth I purchased expecting these to be forgeries.... which they still may be what do you think?  |
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Post by blaamand on Feb 5, 2020 10:01:36 GMT
stainlessb - Nice find! The imperforated are actually listed in COB. See snip-out, listed at the bottom 'Non-denteles' (Only for values from 1 Fr and above). For genuinity? Difficult to say. Note that the catalog only list the values for the used set of 7. I would hang on to them anyway!  
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 18, 2020 2:01:12 GMT
Does anyone know the story behind the cancellations? In some instances the rail line is indicated in the lower bar, in others there are two.... what i would almost describe as the isignia from WWI and WWII Germain Luftwaffe, and still others are blank is the top bar city of origin to destination ( or what rail line)? And the date.... is the final digit(s) a time stamp (based on 24 hour clock)... and there's the last one....(??) which completely confounds me  It is my understanding the rail line designations in place today are essentially unchanged from their origin. If anyone knows of a map of Belgian rail lines prior to WWI, please let me know- I've not had much luck finding anything but modern with lots of extra information (bus, airports, etc) |
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Post by darkormex on Feb 18, 2020 3:11:18 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 18, 2020 15:29:53 GMT
Thanks- day, month, time, year- though i wonder why the top stamp year is -3 instead of 03?
and still curious about the open cross in the bottom (aka LuftWaffe insignia)
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 28, 2020 1:43:04 GMT
Received today- I now have a duplicate 10F and lack the imperf 2F, so if by chance someone needs the 10 F and has a spare 2 .... PM me!  |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 5, 2020 1:23:54 GMT
received today!  |
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Post by cjoprey on Mar 5, 2020 17:42:45 GMT
Nice book Stan ( stainlessb) - may have to send you some scans for translation |
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 5, 2020 18:01:32 GMT
cjoprey sure thing! but you might want to give me a week or so to do some reading as there are a lot of variations, including some private lines, which later became publicly owned/operated. At present I have a vague understanding at best. Clear dates seem to be very key to identification as there seems to be some very hard dates where changes were implemented
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 24, 2020 17:30:17 GMT
Y&T #TR2/TR2a 1879-82 20 centimes, Hexagon cancellations -These are all Telegraph Office cancellations, the Telegraph offices never closed so they handles all after hours parcels, and all parcels when there was no popst office at that location Top row left- Rhisnes, June 11, 1885 -bar in place of time cancel Top row middle- Bruxelles Nordh, October 28, 1884 (?) 7 AM , also bar in place of time cancel Top row right- Moustier. April 22, 1890 (?) Bottom row left- Bruges Station, January 6, 1886 8-9 AM (might be 8 S) Bottom row right- Bruges Station, April 22 18?? time unclear  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 24, 2020 18:13:37 GMT
and some more TR4/TR4a 50 centimes Top row left- Namur (Central), April 12, 1882 bar in place of time cancel Top row, middle left- Baesrode (Nord), month unknown, 20th, 1894 (?) time not clear- This office operated during the 1890/s Top row middle right- Rhode- St. Genese, June 29, 1882 6 - I show this as the only example I have of a round cancelattion for this first series of railway stamps, and it is most likely a non-rail station post office cancellation. Top row right- Anvers (Est), April 19, 1881, no time shown Middle row left- Ayes Dec 16, 1879 this cancellation was used by smaller telegraph offices and/or private lines Middle row, middle left- Bruxelles (Astronomie), April 7, 1880 6 S Middle row middle right- Bruxelles ( Douquesnoy) Sept 1 year unlnown, can barely make out 18, no time shown Middle row right- Verviers (Recollets), September 9, 1881, no time shown Bottom row left- Louvain (Station) date unclear April (?), 1881(?) 8 PM (?) Bottom row middle- Liege (Palais) August 4, 1884 between 5 S Bottom row right- Ostende, March 8, 1888, 5S AM  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 24, 2020 18:42:42 GMT
And an example of TR1- 10 centimes, TR3- 25 centimes, and TR5 80 centimes. Top left TR1- Bruxelles (Nord), August 19, 1885, no time shown Top right TR3- Bruxelles (Entropot) Mach 18,1882 5 S Bottom row left TR5a- Ypres, June 25, 1881, bar in place of time Bottom middle TR5- Ixelle, August 6, 1881, no time shown Bottom right TR5- Bruxelles (Q.L) July 16, 1882, no time shown  |
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 24, 2020 19:31:49 GMT
And the last of this series TR6/TR6a 1 Franc, gray and pale gray.... I either have mainly all the same shade, or the distinction is very subtle- you be the judge! Top row left- Verviers (Central), September 12, 1887, 4 S Top row middle left- Anvers (Place Vert) March 12, 1887 (?) 8 S (AM?) Top row middle right- Mouscron, May 2, 1887 a double stamp or the year would have been lost Top row right- Bruxelles (Pse Chapelle), May 17, 1887 7 S Middle row left- Anvers (Place Vert) March 11, 1889 12 M (midnight or midday?) Middle row middle left- Gand (Central) November 12, 1886 4 S Middle row middle right- Anvers (Place Vert) March 17, 1887 8 S Middle row right- Gand (Central) October 262, 1888 7- S Bottom row left- Bruxelles St. Josse-Ten Noode April 5 no year 7 S Bottom row middle left- Bruxelles (Nord) July 5, 1883 no time shown Bottom row middle right- Gentbrugge-Nord, February 21, 18?? 4 S Bottom row right- Coutrai Sept 14, 1888 5 S  and there are these the T3 cancellation, reportedly the earliest, both of this were cancelled at the Bruxelles- Midi station 4A  and that concludes all my "holdings with the exception of few completely unidentifiable cancellations! |
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Post by stainlessb on May 28, 2021 0:02:16 GMT
Here's a very small portion of a lot of 3 Fr 1902 - 1914 COB # TR44- I purchased a lot of 529 stamps (I haven't counted and I probably won't as that really is a lot!!) as a cancellation study! All are 3 Francs- paid just under $9.00 US including piostage from France! This should keep me busy when I finally get around to it  |
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Post by renden on May 28, 2021 14:41:24 GMT
I did 3 days of re-inventory and special binder of the Belgique Parcel post an Railway (about 260 of them) stamps this week and the 1879-82 series is the only ones I do not have. Our Provincial club even had a ZOOM seminar on their history and postmarks a few days ago. Very nice postmarks, Stan stainlessb - if I remember well you are the one who motivated my interest - Thanks !! Hope to see more...... René |
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Post by stainlessb on May 28, 2021 15:44:43 GMT
renden I think I may be able to send the first series- I will set aside!
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Post by renden on May 28, 2021 15:49:30 GMT
renden I think I may be able to send the first series- I will set aside! Thanks Stan  René |
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Post by stainlessb on May 29, 2021 18:09:38 GMT
Here's one I hope cjoprey will add some clarity to the cancellation. From the lot I posted a small portion of a couple of post ago in this thread. Enghien N ( I am guess the lone N signifies North?!?) which would be the startrting place. Enghien is located in the Wallonia area of Belgium The date I believe to be August (VIII) 28, 1913.... at 1900 hours (7:00 PM) The bottom Edingen should be where this package/parcel or what ever was being transported by rail. But all I can find on Edingen by Googling, is "see Enghien" was this a local route (perhaps?)  |
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Post by renden on May 29, 2021 18:22:30 GMT
Stan stainlessb Enghien=French name Edingen=Dutch name thus a bilingual Railway stamp Postmark - I think ! René |
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Post by stainlessb on May 29, 2021 19:16:02 GMT
hmmmm, hadn't thought of that-
I need to reread the first chapter Railway parcel Post Cancellations by Jones to see if I can find this. Looking at others that have something spelled out in the lower "box" this seems to make sense
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 17, 2021 22:16:15 GMT
I finally got TR1 - TR6 mounted- missing 2 color shades again always challenging and some of the differences in many of the stamps is very subtle/slight and vert subjective!   |
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Post by darkormex on Feb 14, 2022 2:50:36 GMT
I mentioned in my giveaway thread that I have been almost exclusively working on Belgium, initially precancels but when I finished with that I moved on to Railway Parcel Post stamps. I have this nice complete set of the 1941 large, multi-color stamps railway stamps that I picked up several years ago in a Belgium collection I purchased. It is time these were transferred to the Steiner pages I printed recently.   |
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Post by darkormex on Feb 14, 2022 3:00:24 GMT
I have also been spending some time on eBay recently and picked up this page of earlier Belgian railway parcel post stamps that will fill in quite a few gaps but still not as many as I would hope.  |
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Post by darkormex on Mar 1, 2022 12:28:39 GMT
Taking stamps from my recent purchase, I was able to complete the following Steiner page of Belgian Railway stamps. In this case, the winged wheel series of 1902-14. Only stamps in the best condition are mounted here but I have others with more interesting cancels that will go onto add-on pages I create. These were in not-so-good condition but I didn't want to sacrifice the interesting round and hexagonal cancel. I will have to show these at a different time.   |
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Post by anglobob on Mar 1, 2022 15:25:18 GMT
darkormexNice ....I recently got interested in these after winning a collection in the local stamp club,s auction.I notice there are 3 types of cancellations and it appears the round and hexagonal cancels are a little higher in price on Ebay and Delcampe.All the stamps I have are cancelled with the rectangular cancellation. Anglobob
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 1, 2022 15:44:12 GMT
If you scroll up to my Mar 2020 post- this reference goes into great detail regarding cancellations and wasn't all that expensive (as I remember... the was 2 years ago now!!!)
Hexangonal cancellations are Telegraph offices on state lines and were in use from 1879 up to the outbreak of WWI
most 3 lined rectangle (all 4 corners square, and/or the bottom corners angled (chamfered 1908 ->) or slightly rounded) are state line and started in the early 1890's
round (typically from a a Post Office) used up to 1928
oval are not common and typically used by the Private lines, but the Brussels TT and Bruxelles- Brussel use a circular stamp in the 1930's
The Private Lines have an assortment of styles/designs
The book goes into quite a bit of detail (and is in English)
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 11, 2023 16:59:22 GMT
This thread needs a bump! Below COB #TR110 First scan is at my standard scanners ettings, 2nd scan is same stamps with brightness set to lowest setting. The very faded stamp has '110' written on the back. Looking through my BoB stamps to see if I could find another T10 railway cancellation I thought that i had put a stamp into the Vario face down. Sunlight???   |
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