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Post by WERT on Jan 16, 2020 0:34:53 GMT
Have no idea what i have here with this Scott 92 Belgium imperforate pair of stamps. Robert
Below is the normal Scott 92 with information from the Scott Catalouge.
Here is my imperforate pair Scott 92
Am i missing something... 
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 16, 2020 3:50:54 GMT
This may well be listed in COB, but I am not at home and cannot access. Perhaps someone else can take a look and comment (COB uses Yvert numbering)
although not the stamp in question I did find this link |
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Post by tobben63 on Jan 16, 2020 5:34:12 GMT
This is what i did find in COB. I do not read French but I dont think this enlightened the question?   |
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Post by tobben63 on Jan 16, 2020 5:40:00 GMT
But then I had a look at colnect.com and there it was listed as a variant. 108ND Colnect is getting better and better    |
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Post by WERT on Jan 16, 2020 13:45:18 GMT
Thanks guys..Can't speak Belgium..haha
Robert
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Post by cjoprey on Jan 16, 2020 23:37:03 GMT
The COB entry tobben63 added has a section titled "non dentelés", which means imperforate - literally "untoothed" - which includes the 1c as the first entry. Interesting that they didn't give those catalogue numbers though. |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jan 17, 2020 21:04:22 GMT
The posts by tobben63 and cjoprey are very helpful in your quest, Robert ( WERT ), but the listings that they show for the imperforate stamps do not seem to address the difference in color, which is quite noticeable in your imperforate pair. To my eye, at least, yours are not orange, but much more red, perhaps red-orange. So, it seems that other imperforate stamps of the 1-centime are known, but the color listed in the catalogues only matches the normal orange color. |
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Post by WERT on Jan 17, 2020 21:59:07 GMT
Beryllium Guy..You are correct..Wonder why they have NO classification of RED or RED/ORANGE... Maybe someone else has an explanation about the colour differences.
Robert
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 17, 2020 22:45:00 GMT
I have noticed in my limited time working with the early Belgium stamps (and France) that the color nuances are wide and different catalogues may list more or less (or none)... and inmany cases, when nuances are listed, the main color is more 'generic" in nature "Green" followed by 14 different shades/nuances - many of which differ by what seems very subtle amounts, and translations from different catalogues sometimes gives a better description or makes little sense.
is it red, or red orange, or dark orange, or very dark orange?
In the case of this stamp, might this be a printers proof or un-marked specimen?
regardless, a very nice pair you have there!
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Post by WERT on Jan 17, 2020 23:08:11 GMT
stainlessb hope you are correct...fingers crossed. Remember about colour differences, they were common back in the early 1900's... When i was training to be a printer in high school, the colour combination was applied by putty knife. The teacher would ask for orange ink and we mixed yellow and red to get an orange colour.
BUT, here is the detail a lot of collectors miss....The next day to do a continue run, another putty knife was mixed. Impossible to get the colour exact the next day. (of course sunlight deterioration, pollution, etc, affects ink colour)
Robert
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Post by blaamand on Jan 20, 2020 16:45:41 GMT
That's a nice pair Robert. I have the same stamp as an imperforated single, however my copy match the colour of the perforated stamp. Your copy is clearly much more reddish, seems closer to red than orange. Quite peculiar. If one can consider it a reference: I had about 40 copies of the perforated stamp, and they were all more or less consistent in their shade, non of them reddish like yours. Maybe trial print or printers waste as already suggested? Definitely a keeper either way!
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Post by blaamand on Jan 20, 2020 23:52:00 GMT
WERT - by coincidence I had saved an image of my relevant Belgium page on Onedrive, so here you can have a look at the same imperf stamp as your own. Mine is clearly not reddish as yours, mine is the same shade as the regular perforated stamps. It seems to me your pair is also printed on a different type of paper? If so it can point to trial print, re-print, etc. Can't help anymore I'm afraid. 
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Post by WERT on Jan 21, 2020 3:03:55 GMT
blaamand...I agree, the reddish colour of the stamp leads me to believe it could possible be a trial print or even printer's waste..
The smudges on the pair is not normal...To me it was a trial print, and okayed by the proofreader and possibly a readjustment of the colour, to be possibly more orange.
Either way, i have not seen any other stamps with the same caricaturists as mine.,,,Yes a keeper till i can do more investigation on colour print, trial print or printer's waste.
Robert
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