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Post by darkormex on Apr 3, 2020 1:43:47 GMT
These Guatemalan stamps have definitely intrigued me enough that I have decided to remove them from the old album I bought and am going to identify them by catalogue number and then place them on to the stock page I had for other Guatemalan stamps. I am going to start with the earliest stamps mounted on the pages and hope I can grow a thread with scans of a variety of Guatemalan stamps, albeit most of them early classics to perhaps the 1940s, that will also add more to this tiny Guatemala area of The Stamp Forum. So here is our starting point. I removed them from the pages and have rough sorted them on my desktop.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 3, 2020 2:07:19 GMT
The earliest stamps are these two stamps from the 1886-95 set depicting the national emblem of Guatemala.Initially a lithographed set of these was issued in July of 1886 and then later the same design was issued as a smaller engraved set with a more limited number of denominations which are the 1886-95 stamps. There was also a 1900-02 set, also engraved but in different colors. Below are Scott nos. 43 and 44, the 1 centavo and 2 centavo denominations. I had some trouble distinguishing these stamps, which are engraved, from the earlier lithographed set so I used the foil test. I set the foil on top of the design of the two stamps and rubbed an eraser over the foil and determined that the design was imprinted on the foil though barely visible. You can just see the raised outline of the horseshoe/oval of the national emblem imprinted on the foil below. So, to me, this meant these are from the engraved set of 1886-95. If anybody thinks differently, please let me know.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 3, 2020 2:29:26 GMT
I have re-scanned and am reposting this set because I have both added and subtracted a stamp from the original scan and also because it is next in the Scott Catalogue. So here again are Sc. nos. 114 to 120 and 123. There was a second copy of Sc. no. 114, the 1 centavo stamp depicting the national emblem in claret on a green background and I removed the 75 centavo stamp because it not Scott listed. I realized last night after I had posted this set of stamps that the 75 centavo had a light "oficial" overprint on it. Looking in the catalogue in the Official Stamps section there is a note that states the following: "A rubber handstamp "OFICIAL" was also used during the same period (1912 to 1926) and was applied in violet, red, blue or black to stamps no. 117-118, 121-123, 163-165, 172 and 202-218." The stamp below is Sc. no. 121 and you can see the light violet "OFICiAL" handstamp slightly off center and lower right.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 3, 2020 2:54:30 GMT
Next in the catalogue is Sc. 132, issued Jan. 1, 1907. It depicts the Guatemalan Declaration of Independence and is another attractive bi-color design. As I have mentioned before on other threads, I find myself heading down rabbit holes to learn more about the stamps I am looking at and Guatemala is no exception. It is worth looking at the Guatemala page on Wikipedia here.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 1:37:52 GMT
I seem to have a certain fondness for this stamp. Perhaps it is the pose of his head which, to me, is a bit, well, eccentric and staged, but, here is Estrada Cabrera, President of Guatemala from 1898 to 1920. There is more about Cabrera noted in this Wikipedia piece that is worth reading. He was a powerful leader but not a good one, but I will let you read the article for yourself here.The Scott no. for this stamp is 161 and it was issued in 1918.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 2:23:23 GMT
In 1919 Guatemala issued an attractive set of 3 stamps,one of which was reissued in 1924 and printed by Perkins & Bacon and 2 were re-issued in 1926 by Waterlow & Sons. This particular stamp depicts a Mayan stele at Quirigua. Mayan hieroglyphs and history happen to be a particular interest of mine. As a hobby I have started learning how to read and write Mayan hieroglyphs and have been reading quite a bit about Mayan archaeology and history. The Scott no. for this stamp is 172. There is a reasonably clear postmark of March 23, 1921? The last digit of the year is questionable.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 4, 2020 2:43:41 GMT
Those are great stamps, Darrin ( darkormex) But I doubt it is 1921, as UPU stamps were issued on September 1st, 1921. They were surcharged, and looking at the catalogue, they surcharged & overprinted an awful lot of stamps!
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 3:03:39 GMT
Yes, you are right brightonpete. I missed that this stamp was issued on September 1, 1921. Looking at it under a higher magnification it looks like a blurred no. 3. So it is possible that it was postmarked in 1923 which makes more sense.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 3:07:15 GMT
This looks like a full on postmark, however, rather than an overprint. As I have been going through the Scott Catalogue I have been realizing what an awful lot of overprints on Guatemala stamps there actually are. And, there are very few overprints in this album that I bought, hence the wide gap between stamp year of issue that I am posting.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 19:43:19 GMT
In 1922, 1924, 1926 and 1929 various definitive sets were issued by non-Guatemalan printers. Some new designs were issued or designs from previous definitive series were reprinted and incorporated into these sets. Scott no. 202 below left, was issued in 1922 and printed by Waterlow & Sons. Scott no. 211, below right, was issued in 1924 and printed by Perkins Bacon & Co. Both were new designs as of 1922 but from 1924 on, older designs in monocolor from the 1902 series, the 1919 series and 1921 series were incorporated into these new printings.
The Centenary Palace depicted in the left 12 1/2 centavo stamp no longer exists. The President depicted several posts back, Manuel Estrada Cabrera, laid the first stone in this palace but the palace was not, apparently, a durable structure. Here is some information I found from Wikipedia as follows: "In celebration of the first century of independence in 1919, President Manuel Estrada Cabrera placed the first stone for a future palace next to the Plaza de Armas. The Italian architect Guido Albani was charged with designing the palace, but it never came to pass due to the collapse of the government soon thereafter. Two years later, in 1921, President Carlos Herrera, with the Centenary very close, ordered the Palacio del Centenario to be built in only three months time with a small budget and few resources. It became popularly known as the Palacio de CartĂ³n (Cardboard Palace). However, in 1925 it was destroyed by a fire." Additional information regarding the National Palace at Antigua can be found here: Palacio de los Capitanes Generales This structure is depicted in the 25 centavo stamp on the right and still exists today although some of the facade of the building was destroyed in an earthquake in 1976.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 20:22:13 GMT
This 1902 design was re-purposed as Scott no. 213, printed by Perkins Bacon & Co. and depicts the Monument to Columbus. This is one of the definitives issued in 1924.
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 20:39:34 GMT
Scott no. 222, 50c red, depicting the National Post Office and Scott no. 224, depicting President Justo Rufino Barrios were both printed by Waterlow & Sons and issued in 1926. Justo Rufino Barrios was a liberal politician who was president of Guatemala from 1873 to 1885. More information about him is available here. By Brigham, W. T. - Schribner's Magazine, Vol. 1, No. 6, Public Domain, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=6723853
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Post by darkormex on Apr 4, 2020 22:03:34 GMT
In 1929, T. De la Rue & Co. printed new designs and again reproduced older designs for an additional set of definitives. Three of the 5 new designs were present on the Guatemala pages of the album. Below are Scott nos. 235, 236 and 238 depicting President Barrios again, Lorenzo Muntufar who served during President Barrios' administration and was a Guatemalan legislator and finally, GeneralJosĂ© MarĂa Orellana who was chief of staff for President Manuel Estrada Cabrera.
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Post by darkormex on May 8, 2020 4:00:56 GMT
Scott 258 was issued on April 8, 1932, was issued in a 3 centavo denomination in carmine rose and depicts a Mayan Stele at Quirigua. There happened to be two copies in the album so I am showing both. A later re-issue of this same design occurred in 1942 and is inscribed 1942. Scott states the re-issued stamps were also 3 centavo denominations and in the colors of green and deep blue. Of the two, only the green one was included in the album. The Scott nos. for the re-issues are 302 and 303. The stele depicted on this stamp is actually one of many stelae at the site of Quirigua and is known as Stele D. Here is a photo of the stele taken from the Wikipedia page about Quiringua. Stela D dates to 766, during the reign of K'ak' Tiliw Chan Yopaat. It is distinguished by the relatively rare, extravagant, full-figure anthropomorphic versions of Maya hieroglyphics on the upper parts of its sides, which are particularly well preserved. QuiriguaBy Photo by Infrogmation of New Orleans (talk) 21:55, 21 April 2020 (UTC) - Own work, CC BY-SA 2.5, commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?curid=1025907
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Post by darkormex on May 17, 2020 3:48:00 GMT
So what's a quetzal? Well, first, it is in a family of strikingly colored birds referred to as Trogons which are found on three continents. The quetzal itself is associated with Central America, specifically Mexico and Guatemala. It also happens that the Resplendent Quetzal is the national bird of Guatemala and has appeared on many stamps issued by the country since the 1873 coat of arms issue which was the second stamp issued by the country. The quetzal is a significant part of the coat of arms of Guatemala. Included on the Guatemala album pages were these two stamps from a small defintive set issued in 1935. These are Sc. nos. 274 and 275. A slightly later group of stamps, issued in 1939 depicts the quetzal again but in a larger format and very similar to a set of stamps issued in 1879. Below are Sc. nos. 294 and 295 There were two additional designs with this set including a Mayan Calendar stele and a Map of Guatemala which I do not have. There is, however, this stamp, depicting the National Flower, the White Nun Orchid, Sc. no. 293 which is part of this same issue. Being the national flower, the collection of these orchids is prohibited by the national government and they now appear on coinage issued in 1997. For additional information there is a lot of information at the below links to Wikipedia. White Nun OrchidEmblem of GuatemalaQuetzal
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Post by darkormex on May 17, 2020 3:54:37 GMT
There is a design similarity between a number of these small issues of definitives and commemoratives between 1935 and 1939 that makes you almost want to look on them as part of an extended set but they are not portrayed that way in the Scott Catalogue so it is possible that they were not issued with this intention. Regardless, I include here Sc.no. 278 which was issued in 1936, along with another map stamp of Guatemala. This stamp depicts the buildings of the Guatemalan Bureau of Printing.
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Post by hrdoktorx on May 17, 2020 9:36:32 GMT
So what's a quetzal? The quetzal itself is associated with Central America, specifically Mexico and Guatemala. It also happens that the Resplendent Quetzal is the national bird of Guatemala and has appeared on many stamps issued by the country since the 1873 coat of arms issue which was the second stamp issued by the country. The quetzal is a significant part of the coat of arms of Guatemala. I have a personal connection to the quetzal. When I was in school in Guatemala, our class did a play on the conquest of Guatemala by the Spaniards. Being the only blond (at the time) kid in the class, I could play neither a Mayan nor a Spaniard which have black and brown hair, so instead wore a costume of green feathers that covered my head. In the play, we showed the Guatemalan legend of how the quetzal got the red colouring on its chest. According to that legend, the quetzal was originally fully green. When the final battle came between the Mayan chief and the leader of the conquistadors (I must admit in shame I do not recall their names, but I used to know them), the Mayan chief shot his arrow first. But, thinking the horse and the man were a single creature, he aimed at the horse, and killed it. Then the conquistador chief fired back and fatally wounded the Mayan chief. That's when the quetzal arrived, to rest on the Mayan chief's wound to carry away his soul in the jungle (keeping the Mayan resilience spirit alive) and got the blood on his chest that it carries still. I only had a couple of lines but had stage fright, being my first time in a play, so I stammered through them and did not walk away having the impression of having done a good job. I've gotten better since, though.
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Post by darkormex on May 17, 2020 11:49:16 GMT
hrdoktorx , thank you for re-telling your story. I did a quick internet search and found this story of the quetzal re-told on several websites. I had not heard it before. A Mayan Legend: The Resplendent QuetzalI have more than a passing interest in Guatemala. As a hobby/self-improvement objective I am learning Mayan hieroglyphs and have an ongoing interest in Mayan archaeology. One of multiple other interests that sometimes keep me from working on stamps.
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Post by racatrien on Oct 3, 2021 22:02:20 GMT
I really like these first stamps.
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Post by renden on Oct 3, 2021 23:01:23 GMT
Nice thread for a non collector of Guatemala but I have a few in one binder I am showing and some may have already been René
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Post by gatodiablo on Oct 3, 2021 23:22:10 GMT
Once you have seen a Resplendent Quetzal in the wild, it is easy to understand why they are so revered in Central America.
Plus, the steele stamp posted above advertises Guatemalan coffee, which is also revered!
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Post by philb on Jan 17, 2022 21:56:49 GMT
I have been collecting Guatemala stamps covers and postcards since 1998 when i joined the I.S.G.C. My all time favorite set is the Waterlow 1902 set Scott 114-123. I may own a percentage of the 10 cent orange and blue stamp and its various surcharges and overprints.
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Post by Jerry B on Jan 18, 2022 10:22:20 GMT
Hi darkormex Here is a link that may interest you. Over the years I have asked questions and they are really helpful. www.guatemalastamps.com/Jerry B
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 31, 2022 0:08:29 GMT
A power rtack (basically an extended extension cord with 9 outlets) failed, so i was forced to unplug and move everything on my desktop to get at it, see that, while it can likely be fixed ( the switch) I got 2 power strips in order to get everything back up and working... In thye process I discovered a large number of assorted stamps, under and behind....among them this, of which I know very little about as I really do not collect any ofthe Americas
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 31, 2022 22:34:20 GMT
I looked on E-bay and others and what bisected stamps I find all seem to be straight cut rather than perforated
is perforation common? (is this even real??)
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Post by gatodiablo on Jan 31, 2022 22:39:07 GMT
stainlessb - looks like it is Scott No. 300 (No. 235 perforated diagonally through the center). Issued Aug 16, 1941. CV 0.35/0.25. CV of unsevered pair is 0.80. Dan
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 31, 2022 22:52:18 GMT
to the giveaway pile it goes!!! Thanks Dan
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Post by anilkhemlani on Feb 2, 2024 4:18:39 GMT
sharing my mnh stamps from guatemala GUATEMALA; 1880s classic Liberty issue fine Mint 1/2 real (medio real) note the different shades.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 2, 2024 6:29:08 GMT
sharing my mnh stamps from guatemala GUATEMALA; 1880s classic Liberty issue fine Mint 1/2 real (medio real) note the different shades. I have them as Stationery Issues of 1875 (envelopes) Catalogue EN2-3 (Die B) (dent in frame at 11 o'clock) Shades due to ink thickness at printing CV : 35c (Cut square) Paper should have wire side (rough) or felt side (smooth) ? Cat EN2 White Paper Die B (dent in frame 11 o'clock 1875 Smooth paper CV $1 cut square
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Post by rod222 on Mar 4, 2024 23:40:22 GMT
Guatamala Unknown "Control" Labels Line rouletted Not a revenue as there is no value Exist on all imported beverages
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