vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 6, 2021 21:46:17 GMT
The series with letters in all 4 corners and engraved plate numbers on the stamp begins in 1864 with plates 71 to 225.
However between 1841 and 1863 a huge number of plates ( up to 177 )were used to print the imperforate and early perforate pennies with stars in the upper corners. The numbers only appear in the sheet margins not on the stamps. Plating of the penny stars is a challenging study . As the letters were punched by hand the position in the box is never exact and it is the slight variation in the placing of the letter that allows plate number to be worked out.
It needs patience and accurate measurement. I can’t do it , but envy those who take the time .
the postmark in a diamond indicates Ireland and 186 is from Dublin.
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rex
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Post by rex on Jun 7, 2021 7:02:59 GMT
Thanks to all guys for the comprehensive answers. Surely already written in some old post, also I should have better checked the concise Stanley Gibbons where everything is written in black and white. Something instinctive made me think that the first emissions could be without, too bad they were easy to search for. Thanks for your time and friendship. Ludovico
Ps Yes diamond postmark 186 would appear from Dublin RPO = Railway Post Office.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Jun 20, 2021 17:21:16 GMT
One item that caught my eye last night was this on-piece penny red, stars in corners that was hinged into the GB area of one of the old albums I bought. What struck me was not so much the stamp but the nice cancellation. I have an GB concise and will attempt to identify the stamp later today but for now, here is this really great Edinburgh cancel.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 20, 2021 17:50:30 GMT
You will not be able to put a plate number on the penny red stars, but it will be perf 14 , watermark large crown on white paper no longer blued .SG #40
The cancel is indeed a nice Edinburgh experimental duplex . Much cleaner and crisper strike than the normal numeral duplex handstamp.
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Jun 20, 2021 18:31:44 GMT
Thank you for the information Alex ( vikingeck ). This will be going into my GB collection as is. Also, what does the W A mean?
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darkormex
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Post by darkormex on Jun 20, 2021 18:50:00 GMT
It looks as if the postmark is one of those identified here. This is a page from the helpful link earlier in this thread.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jun 20, 2021 20:13:23 GMT
I believe the letters WA may indicate the desk or the clerk who cancelled that particular batch of mail.
The Post office in those days was jealous of keeping up to time and not delaying the Mail. So datestamps often had a time slug , or a desk identifier so that if Mr Smith complained that his letter took 3 days to get delivered the inspector could check back and see if someone was to blame for a delay.
By 1900 it was possible to post a letter in the morning and have it delivered that same day in the afternoon
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 8, 2021 13:55:56 GMT
Last week the Aberdeen club received a donation of a stamp collection from the family of a recently deceased member. Much of the collection was decades of accumulation of GB and world wide used , kind of as acquired by exchange, kilo ware and small lots at club auctions …..even a stock book of stuff I must have sold him 10 years ago , I recognised the writing. Really bulky stuff not rare and not very exciting ………….EXCEPT ! A small album with a complete run of Victoria penny red plates, with numbers 71 to 224. There are 5 more pages similar making the complete run of 150 plates except for the rare 225 and the impossible 77, cat £1100 similar sets are on offer on eBay right now between £150 and £240: So this above average condition series could make the higher end of the range. Anyone up to making us an offer before I try the internet market? 😀 a nice windfall for club funds 😎😎😎😎
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brixtonchrome
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Post by brixtonchrome on Nov 25, 2022 11:22:39 GMT
Good morning to all collectors of GB Penny Reds! I have recently started writing and publishing a series of blog posts on the Queen Victoria issues of Great Britain, which has been made possible by a very large auction purchase that I made last month. I bought approximately 2,700 imperforate penny reds, about the same number of perforated issues, and about 4,000 surface printed stamps. Of course, all of this material will go into my weekly auctions, but I am a philatelic writer first and a stamp dealer second, so I jumped at the opportunity to get my hands on this material, as it meant finally having a quantity sufficient to warrant the purchase of the Stanley Gibbons Queen Victoria specialized catalogue, and the opportunity to write and publish some blog posts on these areas. Most of you will not recognize me probably because I haven't been active on here in at least four years, probably longer. When my business went into survival mode, I was forced to abandon my writing to focus on building my weekly auction and customer base. But, I'm still here, with a thriving weekly auction and have now finally had the opportunity to return to writing and publishing my blog posts. So anyways, I got to reading the SG specialized a few weeks ago, and OMG it blew me away. It takes a lot to do that now, but I was just struck at how fascinating this line engraved material is, and how, even after nearly 175 plus years, there are still mysteries to be unlocked about the stamps. So, I started with the imperforate penny reds and offered last week, all the plated stamps that were in the lot. Now, after that sale I wrote and published the first of my posts, which you can read here: brixtonchrome.com/blogs/classic-worldwide-stamps-1840-1940/the-imperforate-penny-reds-of-great-britain-1841-1854. After I published this post, I sorted the remaining penny reds (about 2,100 or so of them) into the corner letter positions and then decided to focus on specific sections of the sheet, updating my initial blog post with additional comments as I went. After a while, I fell into a pattern for each row: I would start with all the nicer VG, F and VF stamps that I had, which had some eye appeal and would list those. Then, for each letter I went about identifying the alphabets 1 and 2. What struck me is that once you have 20 or 30 stamps in front of you, it is relatively easy to spot the difference between the two. So, I decided to make up reference lots for each letter row in each of the two alphabets from the, shall we say, less desirable copies. It's a good use for them, as they aren't really suitable for anything else, but they work perfectly for this purpose. Then, I went through the remainder and looked for constant varieties, recut frames, weak corners, ray flaws, ivory heads etc. and took those out, combining them into groups of 2-8 stamps. Then, I looked for any face-free examples with poor margins that would be good for constructing shade pallettes, and grouped those. Then, I looked for legible cancels and took those out, separating them into London district cancels, England and Wales, Scotland and Ireland, and using an online copy of the Postmarks of the British Isles to identify them all. Then, whatever was left over I just put aside. I worked through rows A through J, which is exactly half of a typical sheet, and have offered everything that I pulled out in this week's auction. Of course, as I was doing this several thoughts came to me, and so I added additional comments and observations in the blog post that I published. If you are so inclined you can view this week's auction here: brixtonchrome.com/collections/running-auctions?page=5. The penny reds start about mid way down the page and go to page 8. It did occur to me that my regular bidders will get "penny red fatigue" if I offer rows K through T next week, so I've decided to give them a rest for a while, while I move on, next week to the perforated penny reds, and then to surface printed material. If you want to see a schedule of what I will be offering and when, you can view that here: brixtonchrome.com/pages/tentative-auction-schedule-for-2021. You just need to be aware that due to the complexity of these issues and the sheer volume of material that I am handling that the exact timing of the themes probably will change. But the themes themselves won't, nor will the order in which I am offering them. Anyways, I hope I haven't broken any rules here with regards to self promotion. I hope it will be clear that my first motive with all of this is to develop my knowledge and share it with collectors everywhere. The business end of things is a necessary means to the end of having the time to actually devote to writing the posts, and to clear the way to buy more stamps so that I can research and publish posts on a new and different area. I hope you enjoy the posts as I publish them, and I would of course welcome your comments. I may or may not have time to incorporate them all in the form of edits, but I will do my level best to use them to improve the quality of my posts.
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 25, 2022 11:41:38 GMT
brixtonchrome It is nice to see that you have reentered the forum. It was through this site that I learned of your weekly auctions and have enjoyed picking up a few items. I am more a generalist than one that specializes on particular issues but of course I have got an accumulation of the penny red. When one comes across a bunch of them it is hard not to at least check for plate numbers and interesting cancels. I for one do not mind the self promoting.
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Post by brightonpete on Nov 25, 2022 16:11:20 GMT
Ditto, except the Penny Red's! I'll have to check them out again & perhaps buy one.
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