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Post by feebletodix on Apr 24, 2020 7:39:44 GMT
This block of 4 arrived in a mixed lot, can anyone confirm if they are reprints and if not what the correct catalogue number would be please [Image intentionally deleted by poster] US Newspaper Periodicals, block of, 4 2x36c + 2x48c unwatermarked paper
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 24, 2020 15:39:34 GMT
Bump for daytime America. In hope
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Post by mdroth on Apr 24, 2020 16:40:51 GMT
The cat #s would be PR18 & PR19. They appear to be forgeries. Some of these issues were 'reprinted' - the reprints are extraordinarily rare - and should not be confused with forgeries.
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Post by mdroth on Apr 25, 2020 1:45:56 GMT
Now that I'm at my computer - look at the text in the circles - a big giveaway!!
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 25, 2020 2:27:49 GMT
thanks, what i was expecting
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Post by khj on Apr 25, 2020 3:11:39 GMT
Senf forgery? They produced US newspaper stamp forgeries with "FALSCH" in the design. However, the version I saw only had the single FALSCH in the bottom right corner, and FASCIMILE overprinted in black letters. Yours has 2 FALSCH, and also an unusual vertical background shading -- not to mention setenant 36¢/48¢.
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What I collect: Cinderellas and some Ephemera from Great Britain, France and Israel plus a few beautiful bits from elsewhere !! Topical interests include Flags & Judaica, the latter with an emphasis on the Jewish National Fund.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 25, 2020 9:14:25 GMT
Were these used with an intent to defraud ? I cannot believe that was the case. If they were sold and used why weren't the design changes spotted ? was everyone sleeping back in the day ? I don't think these can be called forgeries, if only because of the design changes. So are they not just some fun reproduction to be classed simply as a Cinderella ? They look like it to me. I have some similar that are just fun things to have in my Cinderella collection, not in a forgery collection.
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Post by feebletodix on Apr 25, 2020 9:46:49 GMT
These are outside my experience but being cynical I assumed they were not originals. Thanks for all the replies. It has been put on a card in the 'not a postage stamp' box.
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Post by smauggie on Apr 25, 2020 13:56:26 GMT
Were these used with an intent to defraud ? Londonbus1 I don't think so, given that there are multiple denominations in the same sheet, which is a dead giveaway that these are not the genuine article.
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Post by khj on Apr 25, 2020 16:14:46 GMT
I realize not everyone has the same definition, and I'd rather not go into differences between forgeries, counterfeits, reproductions...
They are in the style of the Senf FALSCH forgeries that I've seen. Like some of the early Japanese forgeries, as long as they were properly marked (whether in the design or by overprint), they were "legal". The Senf brothers actually openly advertised/distributed their forgeries to collectors.
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Post by khj on Apr 25, 2020 17:37:35 GMT
Were these used with an intent to defraud ? Londonbus1 I don't think so, given that there are multiple denominations in the same sheet, which is a dead giveaway that these are not the genuine article. Of course, if the original buyer separated the stamps... Yeah, they are still not genuine, but the non-US collector may never have seen a genuine one and simply not know it is fake. How many of us really fly-speck every stamp we get. Most of the time, we're just pretty happy to have found a premium item and are satisfied to pat ourselves on the back. A lot of people who produce/sell "reproductions" often use this excuse to wash their hands of responsibility: "I sold it as not genuine, but what the buyer does with it is his business." Of course there are those who buy modern reproductions and then promptly attempt to sell it on another venue as genuine. It's interesting how many Cultural Revolution PRC stamp reproductions are on the online market today listed by individual sellers -- the perforations always look way too clean and the paper too high quality. Some collectors will "honestly" put "reproductions" in their collection as a "space filler" (I actually knew someone who deliberately shopped around for these to finish off an album page, and even a website that offered to reproduce "authentic looking" physical/digital stamps for a fee). But when the collection exchanges hands, who's to know that some of the stamps were reproductions? Most buyers don't sit down and examine every single stamp before purchase. I once purchased a collection which contained ~20% repaired stamps -- I happened to only quickly examine the ones that weren't repaired. Fortunately, the good stamps more than made up for the seller asking price, but still... I miss the good old days of youth when I was just happy to get any stamp, without concerns about whether they were real or not, valuable or cheap, mint/hinged or used, perfect condition or damaged...
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Post by daniel on Feb 4, 2021 4:54:27 GMT
Here are some examples that have. All clearly engraved with the German word FALSCH (false) and additionally overprinted with the word FACSIMILE. Still very nice and cheaper than the real thing. Scan_20210204 by Daniel, on Flickr
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