angore
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Post by angore on May 23, 2020 14:01:18 GMT
These were part of a collection of "N" pages. This was in Northern Russia and lasting a year or so. I looked it up in Scott and it noted counterfeits where numerous. The images in Scott look crude too.  |
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Post by classicalstamps on May 23, 2020 19:04:59 GMT
The genuine were printed on yellowish wowe paper.
One common type of forgeries were printed on white paper (and brighter color than the originals).
Looks like you have 4 on white paper.
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Post by marking on May 23, 2020 19:06:01 GMT
2nd row 2nd stamp the blue spot in the top right of the shield indicates forgery
The pictorials look generally ok but need better individual scans to tell as differences are small
The 30 value the left is gen. the right one a forgery - the pointed top leg of the K gives it away
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angore
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Post by angore on May 23, 2020 19:50:28 GMT
Interesting. I will try get enlarged scans later.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on May 24, 2020 12:32:25 GMT
Thanks for starting this thread, angore. These Russian / Finnish border territories are so interesting to me. I do collect these and a while back did a lil’ bit of studying and agree with marking and classicalstamps. Sure would love to add these on cover to my collection! I’ve been watching the auctions a while now, but they seem to be a bit elusive. |
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angore
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Post by angore on May 24, 2020 14:17:25 GMT
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bobstew617
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Post by bobstew617 on May 24, 2020 21:13:33 GMT
I've been intrigued with this area as well since I collect Finland. Thank you for sharing about the forgeries and a few ways to spot them!
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Post by marking on May 24, 2020 22:40:22 GMT
Here are larger images. For the similar design one, I can see differences in the lettering (rounded fillets vs sharp) In general, the forgeries are much cruder and they have specific issues Some values have 2 or 3 forgeries   the left side oval has flat side and dent the 5 is too thin the triangles are much too small The side curled items are too narrow The background is undefined  In the 2 bottom shape the dashes should not be there but should be extensions of the corners the background lines are uneven  The horse is indistinct The cloud lines are coarse The side objects do not curve enough The bottom of the E should not be curved The background lines are uneven The shapes around the numerals are too small The center bar of the E is much too thin In the shield the blue dot in the corner is a forgery But some do not have it Instead look for the double frame at the top of the shield  |
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angore
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Post by angore on May 25, 2020 10:16:41 GMT
Thank you. The genuine are crude enough.
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kosmo
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Post by kosmo on May 25, 2020 18:12:46 GMT
High-quality falsifications are more interesting to me than the originals!
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angore
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Post by angore on Aug 6, 2022 9:45:45 GMT
North Ingermanland 1-7 issued March 21, 1920. Printed by Wiipurin Kirja ja Kivipaino. In 1920 the residents of this area of North Russia, located on the Finnish border, revolted against Russian rule and briefly establish a provisional government. The region is now part of Russia.  |
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