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Post by stainlessb on Jun 16, 2020 22:50:00 GMT
I almost posted in Northern States, but Braunschweig preceded them, so here's a start (and admin, if you think would be better elsewhere, please do so) Does anyone have any experience with the permanence of the ink on these early issues? All have hinges, or some paper/enverlope remaining on the stamp, as well as some stains. safe to soak?
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 17, 2020 0:42:53 GMT
If you are not sure, use Stamp Lift. That will be better than soaking, would it not?
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 17, 2020 0:45:17 GMT
will it remove the paper also?
Maybe I'll test on the really flawed stamp
or maybe wait and see if anyone has soaked these (with success)
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 17, 2020 0:50:11 GMT
It might if you leave it long enough. Just be careful attempting removing the stamp, if you can...
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Post by stainlessb on Jun 17, 2020 1:02:46 GMT
these old stamps, some are very fragile!
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Post by brightonpete on Jun 17, 2020 1:15:47 GMT
these old stamps, some are very fragile! mikeclevenger can certainly attest to that!
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Post by salentin on Jun 17, 2020 8:25:33 GMT
I personally would not wash the 2 Sgr.,what looks quite light blue anyway compared to mine. The 1865 ones are rather cheap without gum and practically worthless if damaged. So why not try to wash and clean them ? What strikes me is the colour of the shown 1 Sgr..It should be carmine-red. For comparison here is mine:
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 17, 2020 13:02:54 GMT
Good thread, Stan ( stainlessb )! Interesting stamps, as always. I love the fact that you are always asking if it is safe to soak things. Not enough people do; I know I didn't. But once I started to soak WW classic issues, I began to see problems with certain stamps, and I became much more cautious. These days, I have probably gone too far in the other direction. I do lots of items individually by hand that probably could just be safely soaked. But I applaud your thoroughness in this regard! Werner ( salentin ), I must compliment you on a very fine scan of your 1-Sgr carmine red. It is very nicely done. It also illustrates your point about color very well. Stan, I am not aware of any problems with soaking these, but if Werner thinks your 2-Sgr on blue paper appears lighter blue than typical, I would tend to agree with him that you should avoid soaking it. If the back is messy, and you still want to remove hinge remnants or something, you should be able to do that with an art-brush application of a little Stamp-Lift fluid. That's what I use on all of my Hong Kong KEVII and KGV definitives with the fugitive ink vignettes. It works well as long as you don't get too heavy-handed with the fluid. As for the others, it appears that the two on the right are stained or foxed or something, so perhaps the red ones on the left have been discolored. I agree with Werner that they appear more brownish than red. It could be that the color has been sulphuretted. We have had other examples here on TSF, especially orange color stamps, that will turn brown to various degrees due to absorbing sulphur content from the air. Alex ( vikingeck) commented about this once, too. If you are up for experimenting, and if those stamps are indeed sulphuretted, a bath in dilute hydrogen peroxide (H 2O 2) will re-oxygenate the surface and restore the color.
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Post by mikeclevenger on Jun 18, 2020 9:09:50 GMT
these old stamps, some are very fragile! mikeclevenger can certainly attest to that! You just had to remind me didn't you. LOL.
I have soaked the same blue Braunschwig stamp before and never had any issue with the ink. But, I would try to use stamp lift first. It should easily remove the paper. I use stamp lift with great success all the time on old German Colony stamps. Just don't tear them in half, like some of us idiots have done. The idiot being me, and my Bavaria #1.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Apr 10, 2021 12:22:20 GMT
Received this week, MiNr. 6aY, Braunschweig 1 silbergroschen black on yellow, with a posthorn watermark:
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Post by hrdoktorx on Dec 14, 2021 20:22:24 GMT
A new arrival today, Braunschweig MiNr. 2:
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 4, 2022 19:10:11 GMT
I am in a quandary and wish to poll the opinion of the learned membership of TSF to help in my decision. Please see the two stamps in the scan below: The stamp on the left is the one I have posted before in this thread. The one on the right I received today on approval. They both come from the same serious dealer in Germany. The first, on the left, was sold to me as a MiNr. 6aY, while the second, on the right, is advertised as a MiNr. 6b. I do not have a Michel catalog for the German states. Instead I rely on my Yvert catalog that lists the 1 groschen stamps as YT #7 (black on yellow) or #7a (black on dark yellow). My AFA catalog also has two listings, namely #6 (sort, brunlig) and #6a (sort, gullig) [i.e. for those whose Danish is rusty: (black on brownish paper) and (black on yellowish paper)]. With these descriptions, I am somewhat at a loss to tell whether the two stamps are really different or rather just slightly different shades of the same original yellow color affected by their idiosyncratic histories. The darker smudge on the top part of the stamp on the right is due to a hinge remnant on the back. The posthorn watermark is also much clearer to see on the left specimen. So, my question is, am I really looking at two different stamps? The scan actually makes their shades look even more similar than under my magnifying light, which makes the stamp on the right appear slightly darker. But I'm not convinced that it's dark enough to qualify as "jaune foncé" in French or "brunlig" in Danish. Since the price of the second stamp is significant enough that it'd be worth my while returning it if I decide it's more likely than not a duplicate of the one I already have, I am hesitating and eager to hear your opinions.
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Post by renden on Jul 4, 2022 19:25:33 GMT
I am no specialist in German States, inc.l Brunswick - I see 2 stamps with the right having heavier printing (bars) all around - What does this mean, do not know Xavier hrdoktorx - Colors ? never been good judge on scans - I practiced on FRANCE earlies and missed often Hope you find your answers - Thanks for showing René
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Post by greaden on Jul 4, 2022 19:33:45 GMT
They look alike to me, and very different from my own, which are clearly yellowish and one is labeled 6aY.
I would keep the one the left, and pass on the other. The postmark is indistinct and the smudge is distracting.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 4, 2022 19:39:13 GMT
greaden. So I may be looking at two exemplars of the "dark yellow" or "brownish" paper. I also agree with your choice assessment. Any chance someone can post what their "truer" yellow copy looks like?
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Post by greaden on Jul 4, 2022 21:33:15 GMT
Here are my examples of the Brunswick stamp. The label is for the stamp to its left.
The yellowish color is not coming through.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 4, 2022 21:47:11 GMT
Xavier ( hrdoktorx), thanks for your interesting post. It’s a great question. I wish I had my small Braunschweig accumulation with me to check the colors, but I don’t. Sorry. Based solely on the scans, I agree with greaden. I don’t see enough of a difference in the two shades of yellow to pay a sizeable premium for the one on the right. I agree that it appears slightly darker, but I would consider these to be two copies of the same stamp. Good luck with your decision!
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Post by dgdecker on Jul 5, 2022 4:24:52 GMT
I cannot see any difference of colour with these two examples. I have had the same type of problem with my Nova Scotia stamps. I agree with what others have posted. It looks like two copies of same stamp.
Those are my thoughts.
David
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Post by salentin on Jul 5, 2022 12:48:12 GMT
I have no opinion about the colour of both stamps (a or b).What is superficies in my eyes at best.
But the difference should be with the watermark: y = mouthpiece of the posthorn to the left, while the normal position of the mouthpiece is to the right.
But attention: both the a and b colour exist with both watermark positions !
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Post by djcmh on Jul 5, 2022 14:06:45 GMT
Michel 6a seies is "chrome yellow" while 6b series is "brown yellow". To my eyes I think Hrdoktorx is being offered 2 6b, not a 6a and 6b. 6a should look more "American Yellow Mustard" yellow, as in Greaden's image
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Post by salentin on Jul 5, 2022 15:54:10 GMT
In the meantime I have scanned all my Braunschweig stamps. (not many !) This is my Mi.no.6,listed in my register as 6a.Probably I bought it as such.
My Michel (2005) lists
6a as mittelchromgelb to chromgelb (sämisch), 6b as (lebhaft) braungelb, 6c as mittelgelbocker (dottergelb)
Too complicated to me.So mine is 6a: the cheapest version.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 5, 2022 18:32:18 GMT
salentin . I agree with the unanimous opinion of TSF that these two stamps are essentially the same shade. So now I had to check the watermark. On my original stamp copy, the watermark is very clear and, looking at the back of the stamp while holding it upright, the mouth of the horn is to the right. On the new stamp on approval, I cannot make out the watermark at all. It may be hidden below the hinge remnant . So I think the decision is that I will not be purchasing the second stamp. I appreciate all the comments and interest my question got!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 16, 2022 10:39:29 GMT
Today's arrival, Braunschweig MiNr. 17, 1/3 gr. black: This one I'm keeping!
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Post by hrdoktorx on Nov 9, 2022 18:12:26 GMT
Another Braunschweig arrival, if you'll forgive the cross-posting, as this is MiNr. 1:
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Post by hrdoktorx on Aug 23, 2023 17:06:53 GMT
I am happy to report that I can now close the chapter on the two shades of the Braunchsweig MiNr. 6a vs 6b stamps. Last month, I won at auction a much clearer "yellow" background stamp, which arrived today. So you can now see the two shades side by side, and there is no doubt anymore:
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 22, 2024 22:59:05 GMT
A new arrival today, Braunschweig 1 silbergroschen black on yellow, AFA #11: The scan doesn't do it justice, but it is a much lighter and sharper shade of yellow that the other two I have posted earlier in this thread.
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Post by greaden on Feb 22, 2024 23:40:10 GMT
A new arrival today, Braunschweig 1 silbergroschen black on yellow, AFA #11: The scan doesn't do it justice, but it is a much lighter and sharper shade of yellow that the other two I have posted earlier in this thread. 7 is Braunlage, in an exclave south of the areawith the capital city.
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