ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 27, 2020 10:36:12 GMT
My welcome to Tanya makes me think, how many stamp collectors are women? Not that this make any difference, but in Italy there are not so much, in Poland maybe more, but again not so much respect to the men... Am i correct? If yes, what could be the reason?
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 27, 2020 11:34:07 GMT
I do not think there is a lot of women involved in stamps. Many of us (males) started the hobby as boys and stamps was not a hobby young women did. It is likely often cultural.
Now, I think there can be a strong connection between crafting (something women seem to be much more involved in here in the US) and stamp collecting so there should be some synergy.
At the core, I believe a stamp (or any other collectible) collector has to have the collecting gene. There usually is a tie in to either history, topical, etc.
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ameis33
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Post by ameis33 on Jun 27, 2020 17:03:11 GMT
Do you mean women don't have the collector gene? I must think about, but my wife collects shoses and handbags... (i'm joking) When i proposed the same question in Italy, i remember an explication of one of the few women collectors i know: Women has usually less time than men... (I start believing i should not have opened this post...)
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angore
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Post by angore on Jun 27, 2020 17:16:57 GMT
I did not mean to say that the collecting gene was unique to males. For older collectors, many went into hibernation for many years and returned when they had more leisure time. But collectors take many paths - topical, traditional, postal history, etc. Some people like doing puzzles...trying to identify stamps can be like solving puzzles and you can learn some history in the process.
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Post by woodfrey on Jun 27, 2020 18:18:56 GMT
I started collecting stamps as a kid in the early 50's when I was bought a stamp album as a Christmas present. I was aware of more girls than boys collecting - boys did the more macho things like playing football. Having said that I remember chatting at the bar of a rugby club to a new member to our side (an ex England international) who said that amongst other things he collected stamps and could knit. At one point many years ago I belonged to a stamp club, it had more female members than male
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jun 28, 2020 15:14:35 GMT
I don’t have the numbers, but statistically the percentage of women in stamp collecting is much higher than 50 years ago.
A few years ago there was a stamp forum for women ONLY. Many of the women said they would post there but NOT on other online mostly male forums because of all the “mansplaining” and assumptions that women were mostly interested in flowers on stamps and other fripperies. It is incredibly annoying to be talked down to by know it alls. And dealers? UGH! You wouldn’t believe how rude some dealers are to women customers! Times ARE changing, but, still, many women collectors that I know continue to feel this way about the LARGE forums. This skews perceptions and hides the actual numbers because they aren’t as active online. FYI, I’ve RARELY felt that way about THIS wonderful forum.
I wonder if the American Philatelic Society has statistics on how many members are women?
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cursus
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Post by cursus on Jun 28, 2020 17:24:03 GMT
Well, the president of the only club to which, right now, I belong in Catalonia has been for decades a lady (now on her 70's): my good friend Carme Font, president of the Cercle Filatèlic i Numismàtic (Philatelic and numismatic club) of Ripoll (Catalonia, Europe). But, She's the exception of the rule!
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jun 28, 2020 17:58:41 GMT
This thread makes me nostalgic for those chats with the gals in the ladies group. The fellas here are the best, simply wonderful, but it’s nice to talk girl talk once in while. I wonder if it could be resurrected? One of the clever ladies came up with the name “Women Going Postal.” Cute!
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Post by khj on Jun 28, 2020 18:38:35 GMT
There is a clear disconnect between establishment philately and the general stamp collectors. Most stamp collectors are NOT part of establishment philately. In establishment philately, you definitely see a disproportionate number of males; and in the case of the West, disproportionate number of Caucasian males (I'm not saying that is bad, just my observation). When I used to frequent stamp shows and dealer shops, I was almost always the only non-white male in the room (other than maybe 1-2 female dealers). That's not to say women or minorities didn't go, but we were so few that we rarely saw each other.
In grass-roots online forums such as this one, you start seeing much more diversity, especially as collectors who don't go to shows or aren't part of establishment philately join. APS has made inroads in the past 2 decades, but I think membership doesn't come close to reflecting actual demographics because most collectors are not members of APS nor go to stamp shows.
I have had to meet with a lot of people over the years. Of those who happened to be stamp collectors, the great majority of them have never joined a stamp organization nor online forum. I would also say roughly half of them are women. My mother is the one who got me started in stamp collecting -- she was a stamp collector. That's my small sampling of the world.
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Post by Admin on Jun 28, 2020 21:32:47 GMT
This thread makes me nostalgic for those chats with the gals in the ladies group. The fellas here are the best, simply wonderful, but it’s nice to talk girl talk once in while. I wonder if it could be resurrected? One of the clever ladies came up with the name “Women Going Postal.” Cute! Terri ( philatelia ), If you and our other female members would like, I can create a category that is accessible only by women who request (and have been granted) access. This would be similar to the Mailing Address List board. If that is something your "Ladies Group" members are interested in, let me know via PM and I'll set it up.
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philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Jun 29, 2020 12:26:28 GMT
Awwww thanks, tomiseksj, but not necessary unless there are a bunch of other gals who like the idea. The fellas here are so warm and inclusive - but other sites could really use something like a “powder room” for the ladies. The Stamp Forum is fine as is. Plus I can always pick up the phone and call one of the girls, eh? Also, I believe khj was on the money about how many women collectors prefer to do so outside of organized philately. Out of curiosity, I took a look at a random group of 100 Colnect members and by guessing via names and pictures, approximately one fifth or less are women, ditto for Stamporama membership base.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 2, 2020 21:59:05 GMT
This is an interesting thread, Roberto ( ameis33), thanks for starting the discussion! My first article for the TSF Newsletter a couple of years ago told the story of how I got my first stamp album as a Christmas present when I was kid, but what I didn't mention in that article was that my two sisters got stamp albums that same day, too. My Dad was the original collector in our family, both stamps and coins, and he started all of us kids on it, and we all collected during our youth. So, it has never really occurred to me to think it unusual that women collect stamps, too. That said, I will agree that the vast majority of stamp dealers I have ever met have been men, but I will add that probably the nicest and most fun dealer I ever met was a woman. She was great--very personable and knowledgeable about stamps, too. In the stamp club that I belonged to for years in California, the most active members in the club were almost always women, and they filled most of the officer roles, too.
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Post by katie333 on Jul 10, 2020 20:55:10 GMT
Interesting topic ... I find when I join a club or attend a show, I'm usually in the minority. That said, I'm usually not alone either. Locally there are a few clubs where the president is a woman. I totally agree with philatelia about the mansplaining and the reactions from dealers. I often go to shows with my husband, who became a collector after seeing me working on my stamps. I've got a good 20-year edge on him in terms of stamp collecting experience as I started as a teen. However, I have had numerous dealers that assume I am not the collector, and only pay attention to him. Sometimes my husband will back right out when this happens, and say 'oh no my wife is the expert here'.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 11, 2020 8:59:36 GMT
Interesting topic ... I find when I join a club or attend a show, I'm usually in the minority. That said, I'm usually not alone either. Locally there are a few clubs where the president is a woman. I totally agree with philatelia about the mansplaining and the reactions from dealers. I often go to shows with my husband, who became a collector after seeing me working on my stamps. I've got a good 20-year edge on him in terms of stamp collecting experience as I started as a teen. However, I have had numerous dealers that assume I am not the collector, and only pay attention to him. Sometimes my husband will back right out when this happens, and say 'oh no my wife is the expert here'. I'm not surprised. Does it work when your husband redirects the conversation to you? I had a similar experience when my wife's car needed an expensive repair, and the mechanic kept talking to me, even though I repeated that it was her car and her decision, and so that he needed to address her.
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Post by katie333 on Jul 11, 2020 16:07:48 GMT
Good question - it normally works quite well (sometimes after a momentary pause or shocked look). I also think it's a bit rare to have collecting couples but I admit I'm more apt to buy from someone that starts out with something like 'How can I help you folks today? without assuming who is looking for something.
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Post by nbstamper on Jul 24, 2020 22:11:42 GMT
I think it makes no difference if you are male or female in the stamp world; I welcome discussion and interaction with anyone and it would be great if more female collectors participated in this forum which I think is a welcoming place. It was a woman who got me started collecting stamps when I was a kid. Ida Baker was her name, unfortunately long since deceased, much older than me (btw) ; and I vividly remember looking at her album, amazed at the beautiful stamps she had assembled. She was a pretty tough trader too and I don't think I got any favours from her once she got me started. She also introduced me to the first dealer I did business with as a kid. He lived in our neighbourhood and operated a British Commonwealth new issue service. He was the guy who introduced me to the stamps of New Zealand, so many years ago that I'd like to forget it, but NZ is still the biggest part of my collection.
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