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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 21:45:43 GMT
1872
no wmk P12.5 SG 137 - 139
SG 137 - 139Apologies for the 'spacefiller' 4d orange-yellow, its the only one I possess :-( Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 22:33:19 GMT
Provisional printing on the paper of 1864 with 'NZ' watermark. The use of this and of other special paper was due to the fact that it had been decided to have a new issue produced by surface-printing for which the star paper was not suitable. In anticipation of the early arrival of the new plates, stocks of the star paper were allowed to run short and a delay in the new issue necessitated further printings of the full-faces. The 1d. is exceedingly scarce and the 2d. with the compound perforation is one of the great rarities among New Zealand issues. 1872 NZ wmk P12.5 SG 140 - 141 SG 140 - ex Rhodes Collection - very rare SG 141 & 141a (retouched) compound perf. Unlisted in SG - ex Rhodes Collection Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 22:45:17 GMT
Another 'provisional' paper to end the series : 1872 wmk 'Lozenges' INVICTA in double lined capitals 4 times in the sheet P12.5 SG 142-142a Invicta watermark SG142a - retouched Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 22:58:03 GMT
Well, that concludes the Chalon listings from SG1 thru' to SG142a.
Open to all now to show their ones and to ask questions.
Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 23:14:19 GMT
A large margined example of SG111. Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 23:20:21 GMT
A 'dry' print of SG110 - ex 'The Rhodes Collection' Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 23:24:06 GMT
The unwatermarked paper types used in 1872 SG137-139 included examples with the portions of the papermakers name. Here is one with the letters ' RS' of TH SAUNDERS in block letters. SG138c - block letters 'RS' of Saunders Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 23:41:53 GMT
Along with the original supplies sent out to New Zealand in 1854, from Perkins Bacon of London, were 36 cancelling obliterators numbered 1-18 in sets of 2. Some people like to, as an aside, collect these numbered cancellations. Here are some (as an example): PB 17 & 18 in both types (I & II) 17 being used at Christchurch & Rangiora 18 being used at Dunedin & Port Chalmers Some are rarer than others. The least common are 2, 3, 4 and 13. 13 is quite scarce. Believed used at Rangitikei (now named 'Bulls' - after a local settler who owned a store there - J.Bull) Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2020 23:56:17 GMT
Others like to collect manuscript cancels. Here is a nice one ex The Rhodes Collection of 'Ho Ho' dated 20/11/66 (dd/mm/yy) 1866. Ho Ho was a very small mining tent town in the Greymouth Postal District. Manuscripts are usually quite scarce and therefore quite valuable (relatively). Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 13, 2020 2:52:04 GMT
or ..... how about those mis-perfed varieties ? SG113
or ..... my Avatar ? SG79
Dave
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Post by nbstamper on Sept 13, 2020 11:39:16 GMT
DK I was a little surprised to see your SG121, never having noticed it as a separate variety before. Sent me pawing through my 4 pence copies looking to see if I somehow picked one up in the lots I purchased a while back, no such luck. I note it is quite an expensive stamp but one I would like to have, so will be watching for it.
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Post by DK on Sept 14, 2020 3:48:02 GMT
DK I was a little surprised to see your SG121, never having noticed it as a separate variety before. Sent me pawing through my 4 pence copies looking to see if I somehow picked one up in the lots I purchased a while back, no such luck. I note it is quite an expensive stamp but one I would like to have, so will be watching for it. Yes. The Orange-yellow, SG121, is quite distinctive. It supposedly glows 'brown' under UV light. And yes, it has some value as it is a rarer shade. Lets see some of your 4d Yellows nbstamper! Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 14, 2020 7:10:26 GMT
Here is a nice pair of SG41. With an equally nice PB2 of Russell : and a PB3 of Hokianga on both SG117 and a later issue 2nd Sideface 3d : Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 14, 2020 7:18:26 GMT
You have to be a little careful sometimes - the next item looks like it could be a PB13 (scarce one) but is in fact a very well worn 15 of Nelson : The stamp is SG133 (p12½ on large star paper) for those interested :-) Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 14, 2020 7:25:52 GMT
But for clarity of impression (strike) try this PB7 of Wellington on a Richardson print SG16:
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Post by DK on Sept 18, 2020 22:06:05 GMT
As an avid NZ collector, I thought I would bump up this thread by showing some of my Chalons ; I have a Campbell Paterson specialized catalogue ; If anyone has any questions that can't be answered with SG or Scott, I'd be happy to have a look at CP for you. Pulled these over from the New Zealand : Stamps thread They will sit well here :-) Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 18, 2020 22:11:08 GMT
also got these from there as well : A couple more of the beautiful Chalon Head stamps of Queen Victoria. This time from New Zealand. Unchecked for anything except beauty thus far !! Nice one LondonBus :-) Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 18, 2020 23:07:25 GMT
Just got this one in, a week or so ago. SG141 with NZ wmk. Noted with a nice 'Tutaenui' (Marton) obliterator SG141 with NZ wmk
Tutaenui obliterator:
and a 'double strike' of it: Dave
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Post by gc on Sept 27, 2020 0:20:31 GMT
Hi Dave
Back again
Really nice SG141, well picked up
Grant
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Post by DK on Sept 27, 2020 6:23:46 GMT
Good to have you back Grant. It's been rather quiet lately.
Have you purchased anything recently that you'd care to share?
Dave
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 27, 2020 7:57:49 GMT
Well, that concludes the Chalon listings from SG1 thru' to SG142a. Open to all now to show their ones and to ask questions.Hi, Dave and Grant ( gc ), too: Just wanted to give a shout-out of thanks for these great threads on the NZ Chalons! I am really learning to appreciate these stamps more than ever before. I have a few of these myself, but they are sitting in California with most of my collection while I am living here in the UK. Unfortunately, I neglected to scan them, so I don't have any images to post at the moment. In fact, I cannot really even remember what I have. It seems to me I got 6-8 of them in a 19th Century mixed lot collection, which I bought quite cheaply (about 10% of CV, as I recall), as many of the stamps in that lot were just space-fillers in poor condition. While there were many damaged stamps in that lot, there were also some pleasant surprises, including three early Japan dragon issues that turned out to be genuine, including a four-margin copy of Japan Sc1. So, who knows what I may still find now that I have some specialists like you guys to help me! Bottom line: I wanted you to know that I am not ignoring your offer to show what I have and ask questions, but I just don't have a way to share anything at the moment. My current plan is to return to California for Christmas, and when I do, scanning my NZ Chalon Heads is on the stamp to-do list for that visit. I just hope that the world situation will be such that I can still make that trip when the time comes. Sincere thanks to you both for all of the great info you have posted about these iconic stamps here on the Forum! -Chris
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Post by DK on Sept 27, 2020 8:12:10 GMT
Nice feedback there Chris. Thanks for that.
Looking forward to seeing your NZ Chalons when you have the chance.
Fingers crossed you can get back to California and get to your collection ok in December :-)
At least the US elections will be over by then!!
All the best
Dave.
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Post by DK on Sept 27, 2020 8:16:45 GMT
Queen Victoria in her State Robes : Dave
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Post by DK on Sept 27, 2020 8:19:11 GMT
Picked up this item a couple of months ago too. Some kind of essay? Grant, have you seen anything like this before? Dave
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 27, 2020 8:32:56 GMT
Hi, Dave ( DK ): Your latest item there looks like a die or plate proof to me rather than an essay. Isn't an essay a stamp design that was trialled, but ultimately not used? The oval vignette of the QV Chalon head was used on lots of Commonwealth stamps, with Natal, Grenada, and Bahamas immediately coming to mind, but I know there are others. Does that sound like it could be right?
Edit: Forgot to add that it is a beautiful piece, whatever its technical classification! You may also want to have a look at this thread for more images of Victoria: thestampforum.boards.net/thread/6316/happy-200th-birthday-victoria-queen
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Post by DK on Sept 27, 2020 8:51:51 GMT
Hi Chris
It appears to be an almost 'photographic' image to me. I wouldn't say it was a proof of any kind really as it is not an image from a die or a plate impression that I can see. Perhaps 'essay' isn't the right word either though. I agree that an 'essay' is a potential design submitted for consideration as a possible future issue. This is not that either.
I am not sure what to call it then really!
Perhaps a component of the central design for reference purposes.
Cheers
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 27, 2020 9:09:52 GMT
Thanks for the added info, Dave ( DK ). Photographic-type image, eh? The plot thickens! One of the reasons I also thought it might be a die proof is because the large-square-with-rounded-corners impression made into the paper. I have seen other early die proofs with similar markings. The sepia colour of the image does lend itself to the notion of an early photographic type image, though, doesn't it? And perhaps the apparent die impression is just decorative embossing of some sort? In fact, now that I look at it again, it looks like the embossing is in the wrong direction to have been made by a printing die. Hmmm....
Edit: By the way, what is the overall size of the piece?
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Post by DK on Sept 27, 2020 19:58:31 GMT
By the way, what is the overall size of the piece? The sheetlet is 46mm x 46mm square. (approx. 1¾ inches square). The Queens portrait is 11mm x 16mm The paper is a creamy (aged?), wove, stout type. Back scan attached: The portrait is of a 'sepia photographic' type. Cheers Dave
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Post by gc on Sept 28, 2020 4:53:43 GMT
Hi all Its hard to say if it is a "die or plate proof". It may be an early "essay" It may also not be related to New Zealand philately. could be Nova Scotia ( or a host of others ) Here are my two New Zealand Essays. First prepared for Bank Notes and later used for the first New Zealand stamps ( the Chalon ) The first one is State 1, without the circular frame line dividing the portrait from the back ground. Te second is State 11, showing the additional circular frame line. The third is a Bank Note. Grant
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Post by DK on Sept 28, 2020 20:53:02 GMT
Nice items Grant.
Hopefully someone in the future can shed some more light on that other 'piece' I have shown.
Dave
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