neilmac
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Post by neilmac on Aug 24, 2024 6:33:27 GMT
Hi guys, sorry for the extended absence and lack of engagement. Been a rough couple of years... I'm just having a bit of a tidy up and trying to identify some of my non PB cancellations. Does anyone know about the sans serif W? The serifed version also shown seems rather well known, but haven't had much luck finding the other...  Cheers, Jim Was a nice example of the serifed "W" on Trademe a few weeks back. Unfortunately I missed the auction but it went for a very reasonable price. Looks especially good on the 4d yellow. Maybe someone here got it?  Not me but I have one.  |
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DK
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What I collect: Classic NZ, Closed NZ Post Offices, New Zealand Postal History, Classic Br. Empire, Pacific Islands, France
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Post by DK on Sept 4, 2024 7:44:48 GMT
Here is a nice CDS on a pair of SG39:  Blenheim, Marlborough JA 23 64By 1864 the 2d plate was wearing quite badly. A new plate wasn't too far away however, plate 2 being put into use in 1865. NB One of 4 lots won in the recently concluded Public Auction 27 by Auckland City Stamps. The other lots won are not however Chalons! Did anyone else have success in the auction? Dave |
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Post by gc on Sept 5, 2024 7:10:46 GMT
Here is a nice CDS on a pair of SG39: Blenheim, Marlborough JA 23 64By 1864 the 2d plate was wearing quite badly. A new plate wasn't too far away however, plate 2 being put into use in 1865. NB One of 4 lots won in the recently concluded Public Auction 27 by Auckland City Stamps. The other lots won are not however Chalons! Did anyone else have success in the auction? Dave Very nice Dave, I did hum and haa over that item as well. Good buy |
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Post by gc on Sept 5, 2024 7:11:56 GMT
Just wanted to say well done to Neil (TSF) for his Chalon web site.
Great effort Neil, some great items too
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 6, 2024 22:09:52 GMT
Just wanted to say well done to Neil (TSF) for his Chalon web site. Great effort Neil, some great items too Thanks Grant! I still have some work to do but I'm really enjoying it. I've got some other areas to put up as well - Postage Dues and Dunedin Exhibition to name two. Also some Antarctic items and then I've also got other items of interest... well to me at least!  |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 10, 2024 6:14:11 GMT
Apologies if this in the wrong place. I would like to share & discuss my grandads NZ Chalon stamps. Should I open a new thread or add to this one? Many thanks. Rob.
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Londonbus1
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What I collect: Wonderland; 1912 Jubilee International Stamp Exhibition, London ('Ideal' Stamp, ephemera); French Cinderellas with an emphasis on Poster Stamps; Israel and Palestine Cinderellas ; Jewish National Fund Stamps, Labels and Tags; London 2010, A Festival of Stamps (anything); South Africa 1937 Coronation issue of KGVI, singles or bi-lingual pairs.
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 10, 2024 7:40:51 GMT
bertburtsstamps.......Rob, there are a number of NZ enthusiasts/experts here and I am sure they would love to see your Chalon Head stamps and answer any questions you may have. Enjoy. neilmac jimbabwe DK gc xacs others?
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DK
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What I collect: Classic NZ, Closed NZ Post Offices, New Zealand Postal History, Classic Br. Empire, Pacific Islands, France
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Post by DK on Sept 10, 2024 8:02:19 GMT
Absolutely share and discuss anything about NZ Chalons here. We love pictures of Chalons, the more the better  And we will do our very best to answer any questions you may have about them. Scans at a high'ish resolution are best, 600 DPI etc, and crop out the extra space around the stamp(s) in question. A black background is best too. Lets see what you have ..... Dave |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 10, 2024 9:38:44 GMT
Many thanks. I'm having problems uploading photos as when I try to log in to do so it does not recognise both my user name or email address. I've sent Steven an email already unless anybody has any suggestions in the meantime. I'll do my best with the photos but at present they are all stuck with hinges in the album. I'll upload some as soon as I can. Many thanks again. Rob.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2024 11:32:57 GMT
Many thanks. I'm having problems uploading photos as when I try to log in to do so it does not recognise both my user name or email address. I've sent Steven an email already unless anybody has any suggestions in the meantime. I'll do my best with the photos but at present they are all stuck with hinges in the album. I'll upload some as soon as I can. Many thanks again. Rob. The same thing happens to me. Instead of pressing the "upload images" button, press the "add image to post" button. Then select "upload image from your device" and press "upload". I'm not sure how the upload images feature works. |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 10, 2024 12:06:49 GMT
Many thanks, I will try that later. Do you have problems logging in too?   It worked! |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 10, 2024 12:18:14 GMT
At least I have been able to upload some photos. I will endeavour to do better ones in close up. I'm not sure if you are able to read Berts pencil marks but they are from the top sheet going down SG 107 72 107(crossed out) 70 71. Line 2. 122 122a blank 108. Line 3. 118 120 blank.Line 4. blank 122 blank blank. Line 5. 79 blank blank 125 no stamp. Second (lower sheet). 33 81 5 9 10; Second line. 40 41 43 42. Third line. blank 13 star. Fourth line. blank 44 45 100. Fifth line. 111 110 137 113 114. Sixth line blank blank blank 71. Many thanks. Rob.
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hdm1950
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What I collect: I collect world wide up to 1965 with several specialty albums added due to volume of material I have acquired. At this point I am focused on Canada and British America. I am always on the lookout for stamps and covers with postmarks from communities in Queens County, Nova Scotia. I do list various goods including stamps occasionally on eBay as hdm50
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Post by hdm1950 on Sept 10, 2024 12:45:31 GMT
Many thanks. I'm having problems uploading photos as when I try to log in to do so it does not recognise both my user name or email address. I've sent Steven an email already unless anybody has any suggestions in the meantime. I'll do my best with the photos but at present they are all stuck with hinges in the album. I'll upload some as soon as I can. Many thanks again. Rob. The same thing happens to me. Instead of pressing the "upload images" button, press the "add image to post" button. Then select "upload image from your device" and press "upload". I'm not sure how the upload images feature works. To use the ‘upload image’ option you need to register with Admin. It is superior because the other easier option often has issued and not supported by the forum. |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 10, 2024 13:47:57 GMT
Many thanks- I will contact them now.
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JeffS
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Post by JeffS on Sept 10, 2024 20:33:39 GMT
I love those “old school” pages
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 11, 2024 6:16:06 GMT
I love those “old school” pages Yes, I guess at the time that was how I they did it. He had very neat writing. Can you tell me why they are displayed in this order? Some of his other stamps clearly had an order to them(in the way they were displayed). So for me I would want to start at SG1 & go upwards rather than jumping about. I'm torn between leaving them how they are & doing just that- adding my own mark on the collection too. I think that is what I will do with the Chalons but leave everything else as it is but he has some beautiful early stamps from Canada, Australia & more from NZ too. |
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DK
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What I collect: Classic NZ, Closed NZ Post Offices, New Zealand Postal History, Classic Br. Empire, Pacific Islands, France
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Post by DK on Sept 11, 2024 9:27:21 GMT
Seems like a good representative lot there Rob.
Only Bert would know why he displayed them in the order he did. Stamp collecting is a personal thing and everyone does it how they want to. No hard and fast rules really, but nice to keep it tidy and visually attractive.
I think that the old school method, as Jeff said, looks good although for myself I would be doing it differently.
Bert used SG as his catalog of choice for these, which is a good choice. I see he has arranged them in a way following SG, but, there are obvious exceptions.
Normally SG lists in a chronological order but they too have exceptions.
I look forward to seeing more of the collection and answering your questions about them.
Dave
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 11, 2024 13:28:20 GMT
Seems like a good representative lot there Rob. Only Bert would know why he displayed them in the order he did. Stamp collecting is a personal thing and everyone does it how they want to. No hard and fast rules really, but nice to keep it tidy and visually attractive. I think that the old school method, as Jeff said, looks good although for myself I would be doing it differently. Bert used SG as his catalog of choice for these, which is a good choice. I see he has arranged them in a way following SG, but, there are obvious exceptions. Normally SG lists in a chronological order but they too have exceptions. I look forward to seeing more of the collection and answering your questions about them. Dave Thanks Dave. Yes, like so many areas of collecting. I think the modern way is in plastic row/files(is that the correct term?). I'm not sure yet how I'll display them. Here are 3 stamps of which the centre one is marked 13, the 1st one has no number & the 3rd one is marked star. What does this mean? SG 13 is 1858-59 Imperfection but no wmk.     |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 11, 2024 13:29:47 GMT
Unfortunately the order is wrong but the last photo shows which stamp is which. I don't think my photography is great either.........
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DK
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Post by DK on Sept 12, 2024 8:16:42 GMT
Hi Rob First things first, please use 'Reply' to reply to posts. Only use 'Quote' when you are replying to a post made some time back and you want to provide context to your answer. I note that you have replied above using 'Quote' and have replied with your response inside the quote box. So yeah, use reply most times  Imperf. = Imperforate (meaning to have no perforations - or other means of separation like roulettes or serrates or similar - ie being straight edged, with scissors or a knife or similar). Right, so to your stamps shown above. The three 6d imperf. values you show. They look red-brown in shade to me, and being imperf can only be of two variants - 1862-64 Davies prints with either a 'large star' wmk or an 'NZ' wmk. You need to check that as they vary in CV quite a bit. If 'Star' wmk then SG43If 'NZ' wmk then SG99
There are other variants with no wmk - ie Richardson prints or Davies 'Pelure' paper prints, but those are different shades. So, please check the wmks on them and let us know what you see there. NB Perforated stamps can be trimmed to resemble imperf. ones. Ideally you want imperf. stamps to have 4 nice clear margins all around.  Dave |
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Post by bertburtsstamps on Sept 12, 2024 14:54:14 GMT
Many thanks Dave & I have noted about the "quote".
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 14, 2024 2:54:38 GMT
I was looking at the 4d Bright Orange Yellow sheet image on TePapa, and I zoomed in to look at it up close when I realised it has the THSAUNDERS watermark twice vertically on it. I knew it did from both John Watts and Bob Odenweller's books but I didn't realise that this was the sheet TePapa held. Great for plating the watermark - it goes a lot further down than I though it did.   |
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 14, 2024 3:18:39 GMT
Further to my last - here's a couple of partial images through Imagesleuth.   |
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DK
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Post by DK on Sept 14, 2024 9:02:23 GMT
Hey Neil We discussed this wmk at some point on this thread. I can't remember how long ago, perhaps a few months! Anyway, I was just looking at your website - link - and am impressed. Very nice feel about it. I love the online version of the Lee & Watts book too. An intriguing item caught my eye on there, a strip of 4 of the Richardson 2d on blue paper - SG5. I note that the cancel is of a PB '18' of Dunedin. Remarkably the 2nd strike on the last pair is incomplete and looks at a glance to be PB '13'. How interesting would it be to snip that last couple of 2d's off and present it to the world as a very, very rare pair of SG5 with a PB '13' cancel. (kidding of course). Great site Neil and worth a new blog entry *hint* All the best Dave  |
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 15, 2024 2:20:22 GMT
At the recent ACS auction I bought a tatty Chalon proof. I though this to be another Humphrys' proof but upon research have now found this to be identical to one held in the Royal Philatelic Collection, and attributed by J B Marriot to an engraver named Jeens. This from John Watt's book - "There remains a great deal of conjecture as to who was responsible for the design of the vignette engravings, especially with the statement that has been made that the New Zealand Full Face Queen design was an identical engraving to this vignette. It was stated, in a presentation by John Marriott to the Royal Philatelic Society, London on 13 September 1984, that a proof copy of the vignette held in the Queens collection was the work of C.H. Jeans (sic – Jeens) (1827 – 1879)."It appears that there were numerous official and private contracts by engravers and small differences between the FFQ stamps are evident. The proof held in the Royal Philatelic Collection below, and bottom, the recent purchase from the ACS auction. 
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 15, 2024 3:02:17 GMT
Any thoughts on this postmark folks?  |
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DK
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Post by DK on Sept 15, 2024 7:49:29 GMT
Hard to say for sure Neil. It looks like it has slightly twisted as it was applied. Did the PB '15' suffer that amount of wear and damage? - possibly! We know that the PB '16' & the PB '17' both suffered considerable damage and were hard to recognize as they once were. It could be that it is a very worn '15' that has slightly twisted when applied!. Here it is inverted (if that helps anyone):  I have some very worn '15' examples. I will pull them out tomorrow and see if any are similar to yours in any way. Dave |
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 15, 2024 8:34:58 GMT
I see where you're heading. A potential damaged '15'. I can't for the life of me see what else it could be - but keen to see something similar.
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neilmac
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Thanks for having me - glad to be here. Looking forward to learning more in 2024! Cheers!
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What I collect: NZ - especially FFQ, Pigeongrams and Postage Dues
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Post by neilmac on Sept 15, 2024 8:40:41 GMT
An 11 barred numeral ' 6' of Riverton:  Dave Hi Team, Just secured this one below. Interesting as I bought a few sg 120 from Klaus Moller's collection and he had two Riverton 6 named but sharp eyes from PC found they were both Invercargill '5'. I didn't think I would find one and then this flashed up on Trademe today, so managed to get one quite quickly after all, which I'm pretty happy about.  |
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Post by redkiwi on Sept 15, 2024 13:53:08 GMT
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