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Post by darkormex on Oct 11, 2020 23:08:10 GMT
Here are a couple more Mariannes of Briat! The 2,30fr issued in 1990, Sc. no. 2187 with an almost complete cancellation dated May 2, 1990 and postmarked in Lyon Montrochet Centre de tri. Here are two more on piece, another copy of 2182 in that beautiful orange color, the 1 franc, Sc. no. 2182 accompanied by 2336 issued in 1993 with the denomination of 3,50fr and with a postmark from Savigny in the department of Rhone. Can anyone help with what GA means here? I did not identify a town name and wondered if it is also an abbreviation. Finally, here is Sc. no. 2335 issued in 1993, the 2,70fr denomination on piece and postmarked in Chambost-Longessaigne. $69.79
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Post by darkormex on Oct 11, 2020 23:18:51 GMT
Let's wind up the Mariannes with this solo representative from the Liberty after Delacroix definitive issue of 1982 with this on piece and full cancel item. This is Sc. 1883, issued in 1983 and is postmarked in Les Lilas on November 26, 1984. $70.04
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 12, 2020 6:35:53 GMT
Can anyone help with what GA means here? GA means "Guichet Annexe", i.e. satellite post-office, not the main one.
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Post by darkormex on Oct 17, 2020 0:19:46 GMT
I almost forgot about this one. I think this may be what Colnect calls an ATM label in the France catalogue portion of that site and it isn't the only one I have. I was unable to find any type of catalogue number for this and this particular generic design does not appear to be listed on Colnect. I am probably like a lot of you and I hang on to all this random stuff that appears. This type of computer vended postage I think gets ignored by many of us but I have been toying with the idea of putting together a thread of this stuff from around the world. At any rate, here is the sole item of this type that came in the kiloware lot I bought. I wondered if this is a specific rate for documents given that that is what is printed on the face of the label. Perhaps the rest of you know more regarding French ATM labels than I do. I have to wonder also as to why it is even postmarked with what looks like a spray-on (dot matrix?) postmark since it already has a date? To me these are almost like pre-cancelled stamps. $70.29
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Post by Ryan on Oct 17, 2020 7:19:09 GMT
I think this may be what Colnect calls an ATM label in the France catalogue portion of that site and it isn't the only one I have. Close to an ATM but not quite. There is actually a picky definition to declare the difference between an ATM label and a postage meter label. Here's a brief and fair explanation from The World of ATMs site: "variable value stamps with indefinite validity". That is to say, the variable value part means that the machine can print out a number of different face values, and the indefinite validity part means that it acts exactly like a postage stamp - you can put it on an envelope right there at the post office, or you can take it home and put it on an envelope, or you can put it in a drawer and forget about it for 3 years and then use it, or you can sell your personal hoard of these things to your cousin and he can use them, etc. French labels like this which include a date are not in that category - you can't take the label home and put it on whatever you choose whenever you choose, it has to be used immediately instead. Most ATMs around the world fit this rule of not allowing a date, but there are occasional exceptions (confusingly, Costa Rica is one of them - they get their ATM machines from Spain and the labels look just like the Spanish ones, but Spanish labels with a date are not ATMs whereas Costa Rican labels with a date are ATMs). And then there's a mess of trying to figure out where the home or office computer postage fits in - those labels aren't found in ATM catalogues either, due to conditions of usage. But don't fret! Although you won't find that label in an ATM catalogue, you can find it in the International Postage Meter Stamp Catalog - listing PO-D2, type C (value in Euros only), variety c (without location name at top). Leastwise, I think that's the correct identification .... Ryan
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 17, 2020 8:19:18 GMT
I can add a little bit to the explanation Ryan already provided. In France, these labels are called "Vignettes LISA", where LISA stands for "Libre Service d'Affranchissement" (Free Service Franking). The example that darkormex showed is one of the more common types. The French Post does issue some special designs for events like stamp shows, and these are available from purchase at least from their Web site and mail order service, and at the event itself. I have posted a few of these in the past on TSF (and more will be coming, I just ordered the latest ones). In practice, only the common designs are used, and there have been a few over the years. They are listed in Michel, in the "Automatenmarken" section, if you are looking for them. This particular one is MiNr. 23 (check for phosphor bands), which was first issued in 2002 when the Euro was introduced and has been the main workhorse of the LISAs. I actually have never seen an ATM machine selling those to the general public, though, unlike in Germany for example. In practice, what happens is that, if you go to the post office to mail a letter that is not yet (or insufficiently) franked, the post office clerk will then print out one of these LISA labels with the needed postage and affix it to the envelope. They will only use postage stamps if requested by the customer, and even then they will have a limited selection. Only counters that are explicitly indicated as being "philatelic counters" promise to have most (if not all) of the current stamps in circulation (there used to be one in the main Aix-en-Provence post office, but last time I went there was ~15 years ago, so it may have changed, maybe Beryllium Guy can confirm).
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 17, 2020 8:47:32 GMT
Thanks for the tag, Xavier ( hrdoktorx)! Well, I was last in the PO in Aix in Sep-2019, just over a year ago. I used the office on La Rotonde; I don't know if that is considered the main one, but it was centrally located and easiest to get to from where I lived. During my time there, I never noticed a philatelic counter selling the current stamp issues. I always just used one of the regular postal counters (there were 2-3), and I was always able to buy stamps there, although as you say, the overall selection wasn't always great. I should mention one thing I noticed there, which is the same here in the UK: If you don't want the computer-generated postage labels, you need to say that to the clerk first thing, before handing them your item or placing it on a scale. If you don't tell them immediately, they will print the labels so quickly that it will be too late to stop them and request stamps. I learned my lesson about that, so now I always try to begin by telling the clerk that I am going to want actual stamps and not a computer-printed label. This often gets a grimace or a roll of the eyes from the clerk, but so be it.
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Post by hrdoktorx on Oct 17, 2020 9:08:22 GMT
Thanks for the update, Beryllium Guy ! Indeed, back when I lived in Aix-en-Provence, the main post office was located near City Hall, next to the flower market. There, there was a philatelic counter sign. But now that they moved operations to the new location, I'm not surprised it disappeared. As you say, post office clerks are all about efficiently moving you out of the way, so breaking their flow of printing the automated label to get the stamp folders out, let you choose the one you want, tear one out, and affix it, what a pain!
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 17, 2020 10:01:35 GMT
This type of computer vended postage I think gets ignored by many of us but I have been toying with the idea of putting together a thread of this stuff from around the world. darkormex....there is a thread here for ATM & Computer-vended Postage labels. thestampforum.boards.net/thread/1454/atm-computer-vended-postage-labelsYou will note an image of an ATM Catalogue that includes these Postage teller vended labels like the one you showed from France. Londonbus1
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Post by darkormex on Oct 17, 2020 12:35:36 GMT
Looks like I am going to have to post there! That Michel catalogue looks like something I need too. Thank you for letting me know Londonbus1.
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Post by darkormex on Oct 17, 2020 12:43:16 GMT
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Post by darkormex on Oct 26, 2020 3:01:15 GMT
I am going to have to update my running total of catalogue pricing at some point because I see that I got behind and I will also need to carry the catalogue values over from that little jaunt into Marianne land. Also, I realized I have an additional pile of French stamps, commemoratives mainly, that I failed to post about here on the kiloware thread. I will do one tonight and then try to carry on throughout the week. These coats of arms stamps of France are some of my favorites. In fact, I have sort of collection within a collection of these that is not really displayable at this point because it is basically an accumulation but someday I will put it to pages. This is Sc. 1041, the arms of Troyes, issued in 1963. Unfortunately the little bit of postmark is not readable. $70.54
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Post by darkormex on Oct 27, 2020 3:56:35 GMT
Referred to as the Gallic Cock in the Scott Catalogue, this is a pretty common stamp in mixes in my experience. The catalogue no. is 1024 and this denomination was issued in 1962. The cancel is from Senne et Oise and has only a readable year date of 1964. This is also an Albert Decaris engraved design for those who love Decaris' work. $70.79
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Post by darkormex on Oct 27, 2020 4:12:22 GMT
These two stamps are again from the coats of arms series of stamps. The arms of Auch, Sc. no. 1142, issued in 1966. The cancellation happened in Chartres and the date is possibly October 23, 1977 though that seems a really late usage if that is the case. Does someone else see something I don't see or am I seeing poorly? $71.29
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Post by darkormex on Oct 27, 2020 4:28:57 GMT
I find this to be a very attractive design. Issued for the 20th Anniversary of the end of World War II, it shows the flags of the Allied nations of Great Britain, Russia, the US and France. The Sc. No. is 1121 and it was issued in 1965, 20 years after the end of the war. It has a postmark of Paris,Gare St. Lazar, and is that January 9, 1966? I think so. $71.54
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Post by norsten on Oct 27, 2020 7:04:12 GMT
I also think it is cancelled in 1977. Some of the stamps in this series were used over quite a long period, but I am not sure if it was the case with this one. Since the Region is Alpes Maritimes I would guess that the postmark is from Nice, Pl(ace) Wilson. Sorry, if trigger another post from you now...
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Post by darkormex on Nov 22, 2020 0:55:08 GMT
I am going to wrap up the French stamps in my kiloware packet with one more post. As much as I love French stamps, I really want to move on to another country and I had forgotten that I had still not posted these last stragglers from France. So let us bid adieu to France with the following: The below stamp is the only airmail in the group of French stamps. The Sc. no. is C45 and it commemorates two aviation pioneers, Didier Daurat and Raymond Vanier. A faint cancel at lower right is only vaguely visible and I can only see the number 69 which really doesn't tell me anything. When I looked at what the Emmaus Movement was I was a bit blown away as it was a movement I had never heard of and they have a branch here in the US. For those interested in learning more, here is a link: www.emmaus-international.org/en/. It looks like they do good work and are a positive force in the world. We learn things from stamps! The stamp is unfortunately badly creased and there is no postmark with date and location just the wavy killer bars. The Sc. no. is 2739 and it was issued in 1999 and that makes it the second most recent stamp in the lot. The most recent stamp is this stamp issued for those who want to have a stamp specifically issued to be used for invitation letters. This stamp was issued with another for birthday greetings in 2002 and is Sc. no. 2289. There seems to be a partial slogan postmark and what might possibly be the wings of a bird but there is not date or location again. Another unfortunately damaged stamp so this will probably get tossed. I Noted as the City Hall in Saint Quentin in the Scott Catalog, this is Sc. 1185 issued in 1967. The postmark is pretty clear and was stamped in the commune of Caudry in the Nord province of France on September 5, 1968. It is one of those many attractive engraved designs from the 1960s and is missing from my collection. For some reason I seem to have a bazillion of this particular French commemorative. Issued in 1965 it depicts the Chapel of Notre Dame and is Sc. no. 1101. The postmark was stamped in the city of Calais in the province of Pas de Calais on May 2, 1966. There is a partial slogan postmark that has standing figures of people and there is one word that I was able to translate, Dentelles, which according to Google translate means lace in English. Finally, the last French stamp in the kiloware lot is Sc. 1841, issued in 1982 for the Centenary of the National Federation of Firemen. Guessing from the little bit of postmark I can see, I think this is the town of Saint-Michel-sur-Orge in the Essonne Department of France. A southern suburb of Paris. You can see the start of St. Mi... and at the bottom the blurry start of the department name of Esson... Not counting the separate Marianne stamps that I made and having updated all of the posts above, I now have a total catalog value of $73.39. I have ignored the fact that some stamps are damaged and also, just reminding everyone that I am aware I will never get full catalog value if I attempt to sell these stamps. So this is just for fun. Adding in the 58 Marianne stamps from my separate Marianne thread the total becomes $87.89.
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Post by darkormex on Nov 22, 2020 1:52:21 GMT
A while back I had promised Bas S Warwick I would move on to New Zealand stamps next and I intend to keep that promise by posting this starter stamp from the group of stamps of New Zealand that I received in the kiloware lot. There are, unfortunately, not a lot of New Zealand stamps in this mix but there are several that I don't have so that is a good thing. This first stamp is a pretty iconic stamp from New Zealand and common in mixtures like this but it also happens to be the earliest issued stamp so I decided to start with it. Scott lists two possibilities for this stamp, no. 131, which is perf 14x14.5 and issued in watermark 61 which is the NZ and star watermark or Sc. no. 177 which is the same perf and unwatermarked but has a printed "watermark", NZ and star, in blue on the back. Without soaking this off paper I can't identify it for sure but I am going to assume it is the more common and therefore lower value Sc. 131. Obviously, it is not a keeper given the worn perfs in the upper right corner and the postmark is pretty blurred and illegible. $88.14
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Post by darkormex on Dec 3, 2020 2:10:13 GMT
Let's head back into the kiloware packet and wrap up the rest of the New Zealand stamps in the envelope. There were overall not many NZ stamps and what is here is pretty common stamps including several Christmas stamps which, in the Scott Catalogue, at least have pretty high values for recent stamps. Below is the most recent, SG 4035, issued for 2018. My Scott Cat. only goes to 2016 and there was no "stamp number" on Colnect for this stamp so I am giving the Stanley Gibbons number here. Comparing it to a 2013 Christmas stamp (below) of similar denomination, I am giving it a catalogue value of $4.00 which is what the 2013 stamp is noted as used in the Scott Catalogue. My guess is they are valued so high because more recent issues don't see a lot of use? Does anybody else have any thoughts on this? There seems to be a large, illegible, rectangular slogan postmark on the red paper as well as a circular postmark, also illegible, except for the partial word "Post". And here is the 2013 stamp I am referring to. This is Scott 2487, Children Playing Cricket. It has a spray-on (dot matrix) printer slogan postmark with the probable text of "New Zealand Post" and the word "visit" legible. Both of these stamps are new to me and my collection of New Zealand stamps. Finally, this last New Zealand Christmas stamp was issued in 1972 and is Sc. no. 504. Just some bars show to cancel this stamp. I have a bazillion of this particular Christmas stamp so it will go into the trades stock pages. $96.39
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Post by darkormex on Dec 3, 2020 2:16:29 GMT
Two definitive series' from the 1990s and 2002s are represented in the packet. These first two are from the long running Tourist Attractions series and are Sc. nos. 2259 Lake Wanaka and 2318 Lake Roturual, issued in 2009 and 2010 respectively. The stamp below is pretty common and is Sc. no. 1356 from the Scenic Views series of definitives from the 1990s. There is a spray-on, dot matrix postmark from 1997 though this particular stamp was issued in 1996. Knowing how many are on my stock pages already I am sure it saw usage for a long time.
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Post by darkormex on Dec 3, 2020 2:27:30 GMT
These two below represent older and newer stamps from New Zealand. The sea shells set from the 1970s is plain and simple but attractive and the stamp below is the the 40c stamp issued in 1978 and is Sc. no. 676, Coarse dosinia. I tried really hard to complete this little set when I first started collecting New Zealand and initially I found it hard to find them all used even though I know most of these stamps are pretty common. This next stamp is also fairly common and must have seen a lot of use when it was issued in 1994. It is the small format White Water Rafting stamp, Sc. 1197.
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Post by darkormex on Dec 3, 2020 2:32:46 GMT
Finally, let's look back at some older definitives from 1970 and 1971. There are two of Sc. 455, the Mt. Cook National Park, 30c stamp as well as Sc. 446, Leather Jacket (fish). I have always liked this particular series, especially because of the designs of stamps like the Mt. Cook stamps as well as others in the series. This particular little fish definitive has a catalog value of $1.50 which seems odd, especially considering the number that I have on my stock pages, but I suspect that value is inflated.
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Post by darkormex on Dec 3, 2020 22:57:48 GMT
I have decided to change the direction of this thread in order to just look at select items from kiloware mixes in general rather than focus on going through one kiloware mix from start to finish. Why? Well, honestly, the sorted piles of stamps have been out on a flat space in my office for a while and I really just wanted to clean it up. I also want to start soaking the kiloware now and sorting through it and getting them on to stock pages and making decisions about what I will do with the stamps. I hope I haven't disappointed anyone too much but it was just taking too long and there was a ton to go through yet so...I will just continue to post the occasional item I come across that I find interesting or have questions about. Given that it is worldwide kiloware, this should still fit within the the category of World Stamps. So let me start off with this interesting pair of 26p Machins and the more interesting postmark. Who can tell me more about this postmark because it is the first time I have seen something like this. The Machins are Sc. no. MH215, the photogravure versions of this stamp. Below are images with the stamps right side up and the postmark right side up. I realize the outer "dial" of numbers is the 24 hour clock and the arrow likely points to the hour that the item was postmarked but why would this type of postmark be used? Where would it be used? There is enough of the top of the letters of the 2nd line of text to identify a possible location of "Durham". Any help, though, on the rest of it would be appreciated.
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Post by darkormex on Dec 3, 2020 23:31:56 GMT
This pair of Irish ATM labels are Surfing at Inch, Kerry County issued in 2018, SG M104 and Viviparous Lizard (Zootoca vivipara) from the 8th series of Irish Animals and Marine Life, SG M54, issued in 2014. I know from experience with other countries' ATM labels that these should not be removed from paper with Pure Citrus, however, does anyone have experience with trying to remove these by soaking in water?
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 3, 2020 23:40:33 GMT
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Post by anglobob on Dec 4, 2020 0:16:51 GMT
Regarding the unusual 24hr cancellation on the pair of Machins.Someone told me this is an internal cancellation used by the Dept of Pensions which is based in Durham. I have no idea if this is true.
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Post by daniel on Dec 4, 2020 2:23:03 GMT
darkormex Beryllium Guy , these 24 hour time and date stamps are typically used in business as receiving hand stamps. I'm sure it says DARLINGTON/ CO DURHAM (County Durham) with the D and N missing from this particular strike. One could speculate that it is from the Post Office for internal use but has been used to cancel these stamps as it was the closest one to hand. But anglobob could be correct.
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Post by philatelia on Dec 4, 2020 2:48:20 GMT
Those Irish SOAR stamps (stamps on a roll) do not soak in water and look not so great after chemical treatments. I leave them on the paper. FYI - every one of those has a unique code for the issuing location. Some people try to find all of them! I'm not a self adhesives collector, but there are some real avid collectors for these.
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Post by darkormex on Dec 4, 2020 3:04:05 GMT
Thank you for all the information anglobob , daniel and philatelia . I am glad I asked about soaking the SOARs. As soon as I looked at it I was pretty certain it would be damaged by soaking.
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Post by Ryan on Dec 4, 2020 5:14:16 GMT
Those Irish SOAR stamps (stamps on a roll) do not soak in water and look not so great after chemical treatments. I leave them on the paper. And I remove them from the paper! My paint thinner method works fine. Most stamps I remove with paint thinner then get a bath in water after the chemical soak and the removal of all remaining self-adhesive gum, but none of the variable value printed stamps get the water soak - I find that lightens the value printed so I've stopped doing it, I just let the paint thinner evaporate. edit - I should note that these Irish SOAR stamps aren't as stable in paint thinner as a regular stamp. If I were to leave the SOAR stamp in paint thinner for an hour while I fix & eat lunch, the stamp would be damaged, whereas that isn't the case for most "normal" self-adhesive stamps (there are exceptions, as with most things). But I don't have a problem with the image starting to come off before the gum comes loose, so 5 minutes or so in the paint thinner is enough to get the self-adhesive to let loose without causing any damage to the stamp image. Ryan
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