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Post by cjd on Jan 18, 2014 2:38:10 GMT
It's probably too nice for the balance of my KGV Canada, but I'm in this for the long haul, so I (hopefully) have years to play catch up.
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Post by stampgeezer on Jan 18, 2014 2:50:16 GMT
westy - Your Jubilees are very nice. I have always favored them. Perhaps someday we will both get those dollar and up values. Theron.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 18, 2014 4:23:04 GMT
cjd somewhere I have a broken "N" I'll see if it's where it belongs maybe post scan.
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Post by cjd on Jan 18, 2014 4:29:07 GMT
"Where it belongs"
What's it like to have stuff "where it belongs"?
Overheard at my house:
"Mrs. Tweedy, the stamps are revolting!"
"Finally something we agree upon."
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 18, 2014 16:23:07 GMT
technically just under inked woulds be my guess
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Post by cjd on Jan 18, 2014 16:25:31 GMT
Neat. Varieties are the spice of life.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 18, 2014 16:28:55 GMT
We missed you here.No holidays for you any more!!!
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Post by BC on Jan 18, 2014 16:52:39 GMT
Canada #47, the 50c "Widow Weed". This stamp is hard to get with a nice cancel.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 18, 2014 17:54:26 GMT
Here is why I limit myself to three stamps per page I get a bit carried away with collecting
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 18, 2014 23:14:21 GMT
Frog, I like your layout... nothing 'carried away' in my eyes. I think it's a nice spread with the mint and used, and the blocks are a great addition. I would love to get into collecting blocks, but I have enough trouble financing my collection of singles. That's a great broken N as well on the Admiral overprint as well.
B.C. that's a great example of the Widow's Weeds issue! Those are indeed pretty hard to find, especially with a good CDS cancel.
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 19, 2014 13:53:06 GMT
Page 5 today, broken into three sections; The Leaf Issue with the first Special Delivery, the Numeral Issue, and the Imperial Penny Postage issues. Here's the Leaf Issue #66-73 with E1. [Moderator note - some image links broken and unretrievable]The Numeral Issue #74-84. The third row is some colour varieties including the 5-cent (#79) on white paper. The Imperial Penny Postage Issue including the provisional overprints. The 3-cent carmine stamps were overprinted with the new 2-cent Imperial Penny Postage rate. The Post Office Dept. had large stocks of the carmine 3-cent stamps, and the carmine (red) colour was to be used for domestic rate stamps under U.P.U. regulations. When Imperial Penny Postage legislation was passed the Post Office Dept had an immediate need for 2-cent stamps in red to satisfy the new domestic and empire postage rate. The first map stamp contains a plate variety. There is an engravers slip in the bottom border. Notice the extra, slightly diagonal line through the rope pattern. It is especially noticeable under 'EMPIRE'. Here's the close-up;
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 19, 2014 15:56:24 GMT
West, used blocks while usually more affordable are also more difficult to find thus the challenge.Adds to the fun when you can't find anything else in budget.Within reason I am almost complete with them 1920ish to 1986ish.
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 20, 2014 16:39:11 GMT
Page 6 features King Edward VII and the Quebec Tercentenary issues.
King Edward VII #89-95 with a couple of shade varieties. The 2¢ in the first row is die 1, the second row is die 2. And the stamp labeled as a minor re-entry is actually just an engravers slip. It has been relabeled since I did the scans.
[Moderator note - image links broken and unretrievable]
Here's a better look at the engravers slip.
And the Tercentenary Issue. The bottom row of three copies of 97i all have hairlines in the margins, I will post a close-up when I get to my scanner.
97i up close! This is the strongest bit of hairlines among the three stamps. On the other two copies they are considerably harder to see, even with the 10x magnifier.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 20, 2014 16:55:09 GMT
Here's another over the top page again only two stamps fit on the page which seems to have become the norm.with my pursuit.I can't afford those imperf's in pairs so I get second class when I find them .Are they "real" who knows but as always they're mine.
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 20, 2014 19:09:41 GMT
Singles of the imperfs could always be a little suspect. The copy I have has some pretty big margins though, and the total size is actually slightly bigger than the normal perforated stamps. I am pretty sure it's authentic, but I don't have a certificate or anything for it.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 20, 2014 19:23:55 GMT
I have found a few of the leaf queens imperf. again singles but I'll hang on to them anyway.My early stuff #1#2 etc. was bought from auction houses so pretty sure they are o.k. Its the others that come my way in collection lots I doubt a bit but can't say for sure one way or other.Is there any page you would care to see?
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 20, 2014 19:28:05 GMT
I'd love to see more of your first cents issue. That's always been one my favorite sets!
P.S. Added the close-up scan of 97i with the hairlines in the margins.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 20, 2014 21:37:44 GMT
Here's the cent issues missing mint copies of the two, ten, and 17 cent.chocolate brown labeled 2nd printing is quite pricey.
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Post by rod222 on Jan 20, 2014 23:03:19 GMT
That's VERY impressive, Mr Frog, how do you measure your 11.75 perfs? do you line them up with a known 12? or are you a guage master?
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 21, 2014 1:05:41 GMT
Great spread Frog, thanks for sharing! No need to worry about missing the mint copies of a few, especially the 10-cent at 11.75. They are quite pricey even used, I have yet to find one. That's an amazing group, especially for study.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 21, 2014 3:49:57 GMT
Rod,just old fashioned guy Mom taught me to measure perfs when I was less than ten.The newer issues give me fits as now everything is point something .Suppose I should invest in new fangaled gizmos that will tell you to nearest hundredth of a micro breath.Ah but then where's the fun?
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 22, 2014 13:29:22 GMT
Today will kick off a three-part mini series on the Admirals. My Admirals are spread out over three pages in my binder, and I am going to stick with the one page per day theme I've got going. Today will feature the 1,2 and 3-cent issues. There are a couple of shade varieties for each with the booklet stamps (straight edge) off to the right of the pages. I haven't explicitly labeled the shade varieties but the stamps are grouped into Die I/Die II and wet/dry printings where applicable.
Here's the 1¢ stamps; 104 dark green and 105 orange yellow. Included is #104viii in deep blue green with hairlines.
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Here's a better look at the hairlines through the numeral box and into the margins on 104viii.
The 2¢; 106 carmine and 107 green.
And the 3¢; 108 brown and 109 carmine.
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Post by cjd on Jan 22, 2014 14:04:55 GMT
Thanks for the image of the hairlines. I have lots of admirals that I have only quickly surveyed for pleasing cancels and it would be nice to thoroughly sort them and check for varieties. I keep saying it will be a good winter project.
Next winter.
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 22, 2014 14:22:51 GMT
I spent some time on my admirals(not enough) last year.Because of their long run on usage there are almost endless varieties.I'm sure they rival the centennials in numbers.I'll post scan of some of the lower values which I did devote some time to.Maybe when I finish re-mounting modern,re-doing small queens,put those cindys where they belong etc.I'll get back to Admirals.Good work on those Westy
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 22, 2014 15:15:21 GMT
Just a note of interest to all who work on these DON'T assume a straight edge stamp is indeed a booklet single. These stamps like early U.S. and I'm sure others were printed in sheets with 4 panes of 100 separated by hand cutting.
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Post by Ryan on Jan 23, 2014 1:52:08 GMT
Just a note of interest to all who work on these DON'T assume a straight edge stamp is indeed a booklet single. This is my one remaining big complaint with the Unitrade catalogue, the fact that there are booklet single listings for stamps that can't be determined whether they come from a sheet or a booklet. Or, if there is a way of telling one from the other, they don't tell you how to do it. This problem continued through the KGV Scroll issue at least, probably for some of the KGV Arch issues as well (it seems to have been fixed by the KGV Medallion issue at the latest, I don't recall any sheet straight edge stamps from that series). There's no listing in Unitrade of which stamps come with straight edges from sheets (there were more in the late '60s / early '70s as well). There's also no price differential given - I know that the straight edge stamps are considered "misfits" and don't sell for as much as copies perforated on all sides, but what's the difference in value? 80%? 20%? Come on, Unitrade, give me some hints here! Here's an example - these illustrations come from the Admirals section of the Unitrade catalogue. One shows an R-Gauge (Registration Gauge) inscription block from the top corner of a sheet, the other shows a booklet pane. Let's say you have a 3 cent red stamp with a straight edge on the top. Does it come from a sheet, like the R-Gauge stamps in the top row, or does it come from the upper left position of that booklet? Grrrr!!! I have a note saved that says booklet stamps come with "cleaner" straight edges than the sheet stamps, which are a bit rougher - there must have been different cutting methods used to separate the panes. But I don't remember where I saw that, so it will have to wait before I come across it again. Ryan
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 23, 2014 5:15:05 GMT
A simple look through magnifier will show rough almost sawed edges from scissors.These would be from cut panes.I haven't looked at this for a while but that's what sticks in my head.You must also determine wet or dry printing as I believe booklets were only printed with one method.Others probably remember more but I'm lucky to remember the cat's name.
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Post by therealwesty on Jan 23, 2014 5:15:21 GMT
You guys bring up a good and interesting point. It's funny that I noticed the higher value Admirals (those not available in booklets) do exist with straight edges, because I have a couple. I assumed these must come from the edge of a sheet at first, and later confirmed from Marler's book that this was the case. I had just never carried the idea into the lower values.
I too often consider the straight edge stamps as 'misfits' as Ryan put it. They certainly were not as desirable in my eyes as the perf'd all around copies. But, I do keep pretty much any Admiral stamps I find though for study purposes. It wasn't for a couple of years that I really started to pay attention to the booklet listings in the Unitrade and noticed many of the Admiral booklet singles carry a higher value that their perf'd all around counterparts. For example, here's the listings for the 3¢ brown which bears the biggest difference in the value;
108 3¢ brown, wet printing, Aug 6, 1918 (used) VF .50 F .20 108as single with straight edge from 108a (used) VF 15.00 F 5.00
So the question remains; How do you tell if a single is really from a booklet or the edge of a pane? Ryan's supposition that the booklets present a cleaner cut may well be true, but I wouldn't mind seeing the citation! Can anyone else shed some light, or point to a reference which backs Ryan's idea? (Sorry Ryan, I would love to take you statement as true, I just want to see the evidence/research). Perhaps I will have to get back to Marler's book...
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Jan 23, 2014 5:17:18 GMT
Believe I did search on bnap site
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Post by Ryan on Jan 23, 2014 5:23:47 GMT
How do you tell if a single is really from a booklet or the edge of a pane? Ryan's supposition that the booklets present a cleaner cut may well be true, but I wouldn't mind seeing the citation! Can anyone else shed some light, or point to a reference which backs Ryan's idea? (Sorry Ryan, I would love to take you statement as true, I just want to see the evidence/research). Perhaps I will have to get back to Marler's book... As I said, I have a note but no source for it, and I can't remember any longer where it was that I found the reference. I don't know whether it was something online or something in one of my reference books. Hopefully I'll come across it again some day. Until then, these forum posts help to keep me reminded that the subject came up! Ryan
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