France: Perfins - Classic and beyond

A. Waton was printer/publisher in St. Etienne in the early 20th Century. However, I don't know if they were the user of that perfin.

This blog entry mentions their archive: ephemeraresources.blogspot.com/2013/06/exhibitions-2-transatlantiques-at-musee.html

If you google "A. Waton" Saint-Etienne Loire printer, you can find examples of what they published/printed.

Type Blanc  Yvert 111 IA  Perfin CL Anover #200  Credit Lyonnais (Bank) used in Carpentras, Vaucluse, and also in Oran Algeria. It is distinquished from other Credit Lyonnais perfins (of which there are quite a a few) by the two closely positioned perfs  (actually touching) near the top of the L. There is a similar one used at Cannes, but in the C there are two perfs almost touching

1926 Pasteur Yvert #174g green-yellow 30 centimes - Perfin J & C attributed to Jordan et Cie (and Company), 3-5 rue St. Georges, Paris, Seine, a banker!  Known to be in use up to 1927



and for those who like to see the back! (I suppose you could  hold it up to a mirror..?)

Here are three examples from my collection:



The CFM on the right I could find refers to the Compagnie Française des Métaux (French Metals Company), but for the other two (MSS and M), I'm stumped.

Thanks for the link! I thought of SSM, but then the M would be upside down, so I doubt it. But it could have been perforated wrong!

Here's a 50 centimes Merson, Yvert 120  issued 1900 paper could be GC.  Perfin in CD, closest to Credit National   Ancoper CN 275, but it is missing two (20 perfs off the top of the "C" that in the example I am comparing to almost seems to connect to the "N"






Credit to  www.philatelistes.net  (I have sent a message to them asking about this)

Another Credit Lyonnais- this one a bit incomplete (maybe at the bottom of the folds(?))  Looks closest to Ancroper CL 222, Saint Quentin, Aisne, Lille, Nord



 from www.philatelistes.net

Several I came across while looking for precancels (I found 1 of 2)

1932-33 Paix (Peace)  issues  50c red Type III  (farthest right pleat line in gown below sash is not complete)  but this also has the 'inflated" border at the bottom - which is essential for a Type IIB  Yvert 283 III   parallel par   Perfin G T  (the Type III was withdrawn 5/15/1941)




Next is a mystery-  the stamp is in poor shape and would typically not be a keeper, but the perfin intriques me  - also from the Paix issues 45 c Bistre, but what the perfin is I am stumped.... (I may be closer to biting the bullet and ordering Ancoper)





and flipped to save someone from having to turn their monitor upside down 

Since I'm put on the spot, though I am not a specialist, what I found is:

GT: Gamot & Fils, Lille : Gamot & Sons, a silk and wool business

HM: Messagerie Hachette, Paris: Hachette is a large book publisher in the Francophone world and they are still in operation

 

some more perfins- only 2 I think I can identify- and starting with earliest issues

Pasteur 75c Blue   1923-26 Yvert #177  B and what looks like part of an M


Pasteur 1 Franc 50 Blue 1923-26 Yvert #181  L G, but although there are several LG perfs that I find reference to , I cannot find any with the single dot serif  


1931 International Exhibition Paris 50 c Red 1930-31 Yvert #272 Type I, P.D.F. but no information that I could fing


Next several from the Paix series- 1932 - 33
40c Lilac, Yvert #281a (Type II), T.G.  but no other information


50c Rose-Red Yvert #283e Type III  G.A.   no info


From the 2nd series 1937 - 39
65c Ocean Blue Yvert #365 Type I B.V.   no info


Mercury 45c Yvert 414, M.H  Messageries Hachette, Printing company dating back to 1897, the company was "compromised" during the war and after the liberation of France  during WWII and was requisitioned by public authorities and replaced by the Messageries French Press in 1945. Hatchete then took over 50% interest in Nouvelles Pres, Paris until 2009, and now Francophone (see hrdoktorx message above)


and last, though not actually a classic stamp, Marianne du Gandon 15 Francs Blue 1951, Yvert # 886 Type I  CL, belonging to the bank Credit Lyonnaise, Seine

Today I have 'tidying up" again and as is typical, I find stamps I had set aside.... and then forgot about.   a small pile of France perfins. The firts stamp I decide to look at is a Semeuse lignée 15 c, and looks to be a Type IV  (issued 1924) olive green  (Yvert # 130 IV *) perforation threw me a bit at first as I mis-took the serifs as periods after the letter. It is S L, Ancoper  SL129, 1928, no identification as to who it belonged to.... (what luck?!)-  Ancoper uses a scale of 1 - 9, 1 being common and 9 being rare- this stamp is an 8! 


I thought it might be on GC paper, but it seems too light when compared to other stamps on GC paper.

and one last one (today   )  Semeuse camée 35cType I , plae violet Yvert #142 Ib .M. F. C.  Mutuelle de France et des colonies, Assurance company, 1907 - 1912, Ancouper  M.F.C. 60 common/rare index = 7!

The dot counts are off on this one.  More holes in the vertical "L" leg, and the "C" is coarser than the example, too.  I don't disagree with CL but that's it.