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Post by stainlessb on Jan 13, 2021 23:23:06 GMT
Seeing as there is no thread dedicated to this topic, I will start one! Type Blanc 2 c brown lilac Yvert 108 IB with perfin A W - A. WATON, SAINT-ETIENNE, LOIRE. Seems a number of Waton's come up in a search, so maybe a prominent family or there's just coincidentally a lot of them! If anyone has information to share on who or what A. Waton was, please share. The stamp was in use between 1903 and 1924 I posted another perfin in the same series/denomination (Type Blanc) in another thread, but have deleted that and placed the image and info here... but here it is again, also # 108 IB, but appears to be on a different paper (several other types are listed, but I do not know which one this is). B V BUCKLE, VAIRON & Cie, LE HAVRE, SEINE INFERIEUR... and again, I could find no additional information
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Post by WERT on Jan 13, 2021 23:42:17 GMT
What is the company A. WATON...
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 14, 2021 0:14:26 GMT
I don't know, it is identified here but that's all that's offered. Could be an individual I suppose
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Post by khj on Jan 14, 2021 0:38:50 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 14, 2021 0:46:36 GMT
thanks khj ! I have subscribed to the blog and bookmarked the page!
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 16, 2021 22:46:08 GMT
Type Blanc Yvert 111 IA Perfin CL Anover #200 Credit Lyonnais (Bank) used in Carpentras, Vaucluse, and also in Oran Algeria. It is distinquished from other Credit Lyonnais perfins (of which there are quite a a few) by the two closely positioned perfs (actually touching) near the top of the L. There is a similar one used at Cannes, but in the C there are two perfs almost touching
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 24, 2021 0:44:43 GMT
Here's another 30 c Semeuse Lignée with what appears to be N & C , but I can find no matching perfin. This should be easy as the Ampersand appears to be missing a perforation (lower left) Any ideas?
Here's back, but this doesn't seem all that helpful
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 26, 2021 1:01:58 GMT
1926 Pasteur Yvert #174g green-yellow 30 centimes - Perfin J & C attributed to Jordan et Cie (and Company), 3-5 rue St. Georges, Paris, Seine, a banker! Known to be in use up to 1927 and for those who like to see the back! (I suppose you could hold it up to a mirror..?)
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 28, 2021 0:30:56 GMT
1932 Peace -Yvert 284A 75 centimes BD perfin identification not known
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 30, 2021 13:58:10 GMT
Here are three examples from my collection: The CFM on the right I could find refers to the Compagnie Française des Métaux (French Metals Company), but for the other two (MSS and M), I'm stumped.
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 30, 2021 15:13:29 GMT
@hrdoktor could it be SSM? I found it HERE (you may already know of this) even though it pertains to Merson stamps with perfins, I think it's useful for any France stamps in that time period
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 30, 2021 16:13:22 GMT
@hrdoktor could it be SSM Thanks for the link! I thought of SSM, but then the M would be upside down, so I doubt it. But it could have been perforated wrong!
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 30, 2021 16:31:21 GMT
worth a shot- I did notice the M is missing a perforation in one leg, but I wonder if over time one of perforating "pins" (likely not the correct term) might break off?
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 30, 2021 23:48:02 GMT
Here's a 50 centimes Merson, Yvert 120 issued 1900 paper could be GC. Perfin in CD, closest to Credit National Ancoper CN 275, but it is missing two (20 perfs off the top of the "C" that in the example I am comparing to almost seems to connect to the "N" Credit to www.philatelistes.net (I have sent a message to them asking about this)
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jan 31, 2021 19:37:42 GMT
I also have this nice example of a "CL" (Crédit Lyonnais) perfin on a Merson-type stamp:
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 31, 2021 22:40:26 GMT
Another Credit Lyonnais- this one a bit incomplete (maybe at the bottom of the folds(?)) Looks closest to Ancroper CL 222, Saint Quentin, Aisne, Lille, Nord from www.philatelistes.net
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 16, 2021 0:23:41 GMT
no clue what this is- incomplete (RF?) or something else... Yvert 235 Type IIIC 25 centimes back looks like it could be reverse impression any ideas?
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 21, 2021 15:34:03 GMT
Several I came across while looking for precancels (I found 1 of 2) 1932-33 Paix (Peace) issues 50c red Type III (farthest right pleat line in gown below sash is not complete) but this also has the 'inflated" border at the bottom - which is essential for a Type IIB Yvert 283 III parallel par Perfin G T (the Type III was withdrawn 5/15/1941) Next is a mystery- the stamp is in poor shape and would typically not be a keeper, but the perfin intriques me - also from the Paix issues 45 c Bistre, but what the perfin is I am stumped.... (I may be closer to biting the bullet and ordering Ancoper) and flipped to save someone from having to turn their monitor upside down
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Post by renden on Feb 21, 2021 16:40:38 GMT
hrdoktorx will give you the answer, Stan or send him a PM - he is a busy stamper !! in France René
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Post by hrdoktorx on Feb 22, 2021 22:26:48 GMT
Since I'm put on the spot, though I am not a specialist, what I found is:
GT: Gamot & Fils, Lille : Gamot & Sons, a silk and wool business
HM: Messagerie Hachette, Paris: Hachette is a large book publisher in the Francophone world and they are still in operation
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Post by renden on Feb 23, 2021 1:20:16 GMT
Since I'm put on the spot, though I am not a specialist, what I found is: GT: Gamot & Fils, Lille : Gamot & Sons, a silk and wool business HM: Messagerie Hachette, Paris: Hachette is a large book publisher in the Francophone world and they are still in operation knew he would do it !!
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 24, 2021 21:07:07 GMT
some more perfins- only 2 I think I can identify- and starting with earliest issues Pasteur 75c Blue 1923-26 Yvert #177 B and what looks like part of an M Pasteur 1 Franc 50 Blue 1923-26 Yvert #181 L G, but although there are several LG perfs that I find reference to , I cannot find any with the single dot serif 1931 International Exhibition Paris 50 c Red 1930-31 Yvert #272 Type I, P.D.F. but no information that I could fing Next several from the Paix series- 1932 - 33 40c Lilac, Yvert #281a (Type II), T.G. but no other information 50c Rose-Red Yvert #283e Type III G.A. no info From the 2nd series 1937 - 39 65c Ocean Blue Yvert #365 Type I B.V. no info Mercury 45c Yvert 414, M.H Messageries Hachette, Printing company dating back to 1897, the company was "compromised" during the war and after the liberation of France during WWII and was requisitioned by public authorities and replaced by the Messageries French Press in 1945. Hatchete then took over 50% interest in Nouvelles Pres, Paris until 2009, and now Francophone (see hrdoktorx message above) and last, though not actually a classic stamp, Marianne du Gandon 15 Francs Blue 1951, Yvert # 886 Type I CL, belonging to the bank Credit Lyonnaise, Seine
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Post by hrdoktorx on Mar 6, 2021 12:25:57 GMT
While putting away that 4c gray Empire stamp, I found this nice "BRC" perfin of the classic 5c Blanc-type allegory stamp:
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Post by stainlessb on May 14, 2021 22:13:48 GMT
Today I have 'tidying up" again and as is typical, I find stamps I had set aside.... and then forgot about. a small pile of France perfins. The firts stamp I decide to look at is a Semeuse lignée 15 c, and looks to be a Type IV (issued 1924) olive green (Yvert # 130 IV *) perforation threw me a bit at first as I mis-took the serifs as periods after the letter. It is S L, Ancoper SL129, 1928, no identification as to who it belonged to.... (what luck?!)- Ancoper uses a scale of 1 - 9, 1 being common and 9 being rare- this stamp is an 8!
I thought it might be on GC paper, but it seems too light when compared to other stamps on GC paper.
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Post by stainlessb on May 14, 2021 23:03:48 GMT
Another perfin Sage Type IIB 15c blue, Yvert 90IIB- rough on the right side , Ancouper SG 102 , Societe Generale, Banque Paris & Seine 1904 - 1954 Very common
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Post by stainlessb on May 14, 2021 23:21:31 GMT
and one last one (today ) Semeuse camée 35cType I , plae violet Yvert #142 Ib .M. F. C. Mutuelle de France et des colonies, Assurance company, 1907 - 1912, Ancouper M.F.C. 60 common/rare index = 7!
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Post by stainlessb on May 15, 2021 22:49:25 GMT
Semeuse lignée 30c Viloet Yvert 133 issued 1903, N&C, Maison Nortz & Co, la Havre, Lower Seine, Ancoper N&C 14, 1903 - 1913, Index = 5 and a horizontal pair Pax (Peace) , 50 c, issued 9/8/1932- there are four (4) Types- the c (for centimes) would place it as a Type, I, III, or IV, The right most fold in the gown below the belt has a broken line on the first crease, which indicate a Type III, so Yvert#283 III, with G T perfin= It is closest to GT 125, Genestial Transporte, 4 Rue Blanche, Paris, Seine, Maritime transport, 1938 - 1949. Index 5. It has the correc t # of perforations for each letter and the branches of the T is slightly lower than the center perforation
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Post by cjd on May 16, 2021 1:49:26 GMT
The dot counts are off on this one. More holes in the vertical "L" leg, and the "C" is coarser than the example, too. I don't disagree with CL but that's it. Another Credit Lyonnais- this one a bit incomplete (maybe at the bottom of the folds(?)) Looks closest to Ancroper CL 222, Saint Quentin, Aisne, Lille, Nord from www.philatelistes.net
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Post by stainlessb on May 16, 2021 14:00:57 GMT
The dot counts are off on this one. More holes in the vertical "L" leg, and the "C" is coarser than the example, too. I don't disagree with CL but that's it. Now that I have the Ancoper book, I have more info, and I believe you're correct, the L has 9 perfs, and although the C is incomplete, there are only two listed CL perfin with 9 dots in the "L" which are both Credit Lyonnais, Ancoper 218 and 220- based on the "mouth of the "C" this appears closer to 218 which was attributed to "many agencies" and very commom (Index = 1) 1883-1954 Thanks for your comments! cjd
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Post by stainlessb on May 17, 2021 19:25:23 GMT
Lois Pasteur 1 Franc 50 Yvt# 181, not a stamp i would normally hold onto due to the missing corner, but the perfin L G matches Ancopers description L G 69, 11 and 15 perfs, and appearance, height is listed at 9 mm, and using digital calipers i get 8.94 (which I guess is close enough). There is no identification of ownership for this particular perfin. usage 1924 - 1930 and index is 7.It has been on stamps of France Yvert # `111 - 274
Next 40c Paix, Lilac Type II Yvert # 281 II. T. G. Thibaul-Gibbs & Company, a comsmetic and toiietries company based in Paris and was purchased by Unilever in 1956. The location on ru de Marignan appears to now be apartments. Ancoper T.G. 35, 1933 - 1943 index =5
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