brightonpete
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 7, 2022 2:59:58 GMT
Oh, I will accept Canadian stamps as well! Not quite as tough to get as GB, but still a challenge. I don't collect Israel, but if it's interesting I'll find a home for it. Of course, I do collect USA. OK, they'll be on their way to you tomorrow.
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drblade
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Posts: 726
What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Jan 7, 2022 8:27:46 GMT
Not me penning them, just received them today's delivery??? The address?Oh, o.k. I see now!! Just peeled the white stickers off, address still 100% underneath.
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Post by mudgie on Jan 7, 2022 16:48:32 GMT
Hi all, Just a few details about marker/pen cancels. I worked for R.M. for over 20 years, (retired 15+ years ago), so the sorting machinery is quite different today than it was then. Some of the same principles should still apply when mail is being sorted/machined & cancelled. Imagine a conveyor belt loaded with letter feeding them into a machine which cancels them. Volume of mail plays a part here. If an item (for example) gets positioned underneath another then the bottom item will miss the cancelling process. Some machines still read the address/code & forward the item to the receiving office. We used old culler facer machines in my day, which at peak times would jam up with the amount of items passing between the belts. These items were then placed back on the "facing table" by hand, to be put back onto the belts facing the correct way up, before reaching the cancellation dies. A slower system but it worked. If items like covers, special deliveries were found in the normal mail stream they were removed and dealt with correctly & hand stamped as required. Speed rather than accuracy seems to dominate these days. Even before I retired we were told by Managers to ink out uncancelled stamps so that they could not be re-used. Some years ago R.M. in their wisdom (cost cutting), decided to turn most distribution offices into merely delivery offices. So if you can imagine all mail collected from different locations being sent to certain bigger mail centers, how much mail capacity is now dealt with by them, instead of local distribution offices sending most of it for direct delivery. The pen/marker scribbles are usually carried out at the delivery offices. I also notice from some of the uploaded envelope examples that some stamps are not positioned top right of the envelope (as recommended by R.M.), these would be missed by the machines cancelling them. That's right. With staffing levels reduced, especially since privatisation, outward Mail Centres often struggle to clear the mail and the packet Handstamping Duty tends to be one of the first not to be covered hence many stamps going through uncancelled. Then towards delivery it's pot luck whether the stamps get the five wavy black lines as shown above on the 1974 10p UPU stamps, a biro ( which should be used rather than a permanent marker) or remain uncancelled.
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vikingeck
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What I collect: Samoa, Tobacco theme, Mail in Wartime, anything odd and unusual!
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Post by vikingeck on Jan 7, 2022 23:30:42 GMT
Even in Russia, sig... i threw it away... Now thatβs a nice stamp, with a nice cancellation πππ
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machin141
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Post by machin141 on Jan 16, 2022 10:52:09 GMT
What a rubbish way of doing the job it is typical of royal mail the times i get letters that are torn through the post is unbelievable and the price they charge as well just pointless complaining. What a great shame it is that was once a excellent service that has now become take or leave attitude.
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daveg28
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What I collect: U.S., Canada, Great Britain & Commonwealth, France (esp. 1950-80), DDR, USSR
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Post by daveg28 on Jan 19, 2022 13:39:49 GMT
Oh, I will accept Canadian stamps as well! Not quite as tough to get as GB, but still a challenge. I don't collect Israel, but if it's interesting I'll find a home for it. Of course, I do collect USA. OK, they'll be on their way to you tomorrow.Pete, Those marker cancelled stamps arrived in yesterday's mail. Jean-Luc lives! Thanks for sending those my way. GB and Canada stamps are so hard to come by for me, I will never say no to marker- or pen-cancelled stamps from those countries. Thanks again! Dave
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drblade
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Posts: 726
What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Jan 25, 2022 14:17:48 GMT
Just received this one today. Not exactly "a permanent marker job", but notice this first fine used cds cancellation, then the second unnecessary wavy line hand stamp. Obviously deliberate at the delivery office.
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Post by mudgie on Jan 25, 2022 21:25:40 GMT
Just received this one today. Not exactly "a permanent marker job", but notice this first fine used cds cancellation, then the second unnecessary wavy line hand stamp. Obviously deliberate at the delivery office. (See previous post for image.) Three different postmarks on one stamp, as occurred on the top two, is a rare sight. The ink jet machine cancellation on the top two meant that the handstamp, also Norwich Mail Centre, was only needed on the lower four. I can only assume that the five impressions of the five wavy lines, probably done by the delivery post(wo)man, were added because the previous postmarks are quite feint.
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drblade
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Posts: 726
What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Feb 12, 2022 13:33:19 GMT
Hi all, Just a few details about marker/pen cancels. I worked for R.M. for over 20 years, (retired 15+ years ago), so the sorting machinery is quite different today than it was then. Some of the same principles should still apply when mail is being sorted/machined & cancelled. Imagine a conveyor belt loaded with letter feeding them into a machine which cancels them. Volume of mail plays a part here. If an item (for example) gets positioned underneath another then the bottom item will miss the cancelling process. Some machines still read the address/code & forward the item to the receiving office. We used old culler facer machines in my day, which at peak times would jam up with the amount of items passing between the belts. These items were then placed back on the "facing table" by hand, to be put back onto the belts facing the correct way up, before reaching the cancellation dies. A slower system but it worked. If items like covers, special deliveries were found in the normal mail stream they were removed and dealt with correctly & hand stamped as required. Speed rather than accuracy seems to dominate these days. Even before I retired we were told by Managers to ink out uncancelled stamps so that they could not be re-used. Some years ago R.M. in their wisdom (cost cutting), decided to turn most distribution offices into merely delivery offices. So if you can imagine all mail collected from different locations being sent to certain bigger mail centers, how much mail capacity is now dealt with by them, instead of local distribution offices sending most of it for direct delivery. The pen/marker scribbles are usually carried out at the delivery offices. I also notice from some of the uploaded envelope examples that some stamps are not positioned top right of the envelope (as recommended by R.M.), these would be missed by the machines cancelling them. That's right. With staffing levels reduced, especially since privatisation, outward Mail Centres often struggle to clear the mail and the packet Handstamping Duty tends to be one of the first not to be covered hence many stamps going through uncancelled. Then towards delivery it's pot luck whether the stamps get the five wavy black lines as shown above on the 1974 10p UPU stamps, a biro ( which should be used rather than a permanent marker) or remain uncancelled. Just received this one today. Registered item uncancelled. As registered I doubt if it went "via" the Handstamping duty, would have been good with handstamped cancellations though!!
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Post by mudgie on Feb 12, 2022 13:43:30 GMT
Then towards delivery it's pot luck whether the stamps get the five wavy black lines as shown above on the 1974 10p UPU stamps, a biro ( which should be used rather than a permanent marker) or remain uncancelled. Just received this one today. Registered item uncancelled. As registered I doubt if it went "via" the Handstamping duty, would have been good with handstamped cancellations though!! (See previous post for image.) That's right, special handling for Special Delivery so the Handstamping Duty isn't involved. It's generally stamps datestamped at the sender's Post Office, uncancelled like this one or pencancelled with the delivery post(wo)man's black biro.
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drblade
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Posts: 726
What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Mar 1, 2022 16:09:59 GMT
Received today. Tidy envelope, pity about the cancellations AGAIN!!!
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daveg28
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Posts: 1,015
What I collect: U.S., Canada, Great Britain & Commonwealth, France (esp. 1950-80), DDR, USSR
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Post by daveg28 on Mar 1, 2022 21:08:51 GMT
Nothing wrong with those cancels to me!
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drblade
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Posts: 726
What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Mar 1, 2022 21:23:21 GMT
Nothing wrong with those cancels to me! I believe these cancellations are done with hand held cancellers given to "posties" so uncancelled stamps can be obliterated before delivery. Last I heard they were being trialled a while ago by Royal Mail, but I never heard any true facts about them, since this type of cancel started. Glad I only collect mint stamps now. I used to collect used GB. I would not call these fine used.
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drblade
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What I collect: GB Unmounted mint & Machin definitives Q.E.II Used commemoratives
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Post by drblade on Jun 16, 2022 13:52:12 GMT
Just received this packet today, (containing stamp hinges). Maybe it's Royal Mails' idea of "the green issue".
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Wittybebop
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What I collect: Anything GB mint
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Post by Wittybebop on Jul 15, 2023 1:52:41 GMT
Unfortunately postman is only doing his job if they come through unfranked, however if you take a big parcel and I've got dozens of stamps on it you can ask the postmaster to cancel them at the desk so before he puts it into the mailbag they have been correctly franked with the handstamp.
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Ryan
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Calgary, Alberta, Canada
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What I collect: If I have a catalogue for it, I collect it. And I have many catalogues ....
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Post by Ryan on Jul 15, 2023 22:24:03 GMT
I've used the plastic over stamps trick many times, but only on boxes. I didn't want to put the stamps on the cardboard, so I put them on paper, then taped the paper to the box, had it cancelled, then taped a heavy plastic over the whole shebang. I never had a complaint from the USPS clerks. I've done something similar before - I would give the mint stamps (usually affixed to backing paper) to the counter worker, ask her to cancel them with a handstamp, slide those into a freezer ziplock bag which has been taped to the box, and then seal up the ziplock bag. The first time I tried that she was a bit leery about doing it but eventually I trained the counter workers back in the days when I used to mail more stuff around. I had received packages like that in the past from a Dutch dealer I used a couple of times for kiloware so I can't claim that it was my idea. Included among those Dutch stamps was one of the 12.75g silver stamps released in 2001, I was very happy to receive that in good condition instead of something that was all scuffed up after being on the outside of a box which had been sliding around in transit for a couple weeks. (Image nabbed from a Linn's Stamp News article on Dutch silver stamps.) Ryan
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nickmang
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What I collect: ww used definitives and commemoratives
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Post by nickmang on Dec 23, 2023 4:45:05 GMT
In Canada I have this a lot as well They use a china marker which can be erased with a white plastic eraser
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