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Post by nagachilli on Jan 31, 2021 12:01:15 GMT
Hi, I am looking to buy mounts and ordered some hawid strips & some pre cut showgard mounts, then I find out they are gummed and not self adhesive apparently.
Is this true, and is it easy to apply gummed mounts to quadrille pages without buckling the pages by using to much moisture. Please advise. Nagachilli.
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Post by anglobob on Jan 31, 2021 12:22:46 GMT
I am not aware of any self-adhesive mounts.I have never had any problem with pages buckling when using mounts.I just apply a small amount of moisture on the bottom of the mount .
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Post by nagachilli on Jan 31, 2021 12:35:50 GMT
Thank you anglobob, the mounts I came across were davo easy mounts.
I assumed all mounts were peel & stick.
Like modern stamps, not the old lick & stick. But thank you that's why im here to learn. I appreciate your comments nagachili.
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Post by guilloutran on Jan 31, 2021 15:08:29 GMT
Yeah. As Anglo bob had said, it’s more comment to see moist activate mount then peel and sticks(I never seen one actually lol. Didn’t know they existed).
It’s quite easy to use a self adhesive mounts actually, you just need a little practice to mount the stamps straight, but the mounts are likely to “adjustable” anyway. Also, how do you suppose to remove a peel-and-stick mount? They’re much harder to remove right?
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Post by bobstew617 on Jan 31, 2021 15:27:56 GMT
I have to confess I have never heard of a self adhesive mount. I do admit it is a bit tricky not to get too much or too little moisture on the mount before applying it.
I primarily use black Scott/Prinz mounts in strips, which I use a cutter to fit to the stamp's size.
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Post by stainlessb on Jan 31, 2021 15:42:35 GMT
nagachilliI use a Q-tip (cotton swab) and after mounting all mounts to page place the page in my scanner for 20 -30 minutes which is enough time to dry and eliminate any buckling
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Post by ameis33 on Jan 31, 2021 16:48:20 GMT
I began making album page just the last year. I did it in the past also, but just for test and in the end i didn't create a lot of pages...
I was used to use plain mounts, with no adhesive on the back, attaching them with glue. I've tried vinilic glue, than Pritt-like sticks. The adherence seemed good on both types, but i've made my own rule to judge mount application. After one month you have glued the mounts on your page, lightly fold the page in correspondence of the mount. If the mount jumps away, then change glue...
I found the best results not using glue, but biadhesive transparent scotch.
3M scotch Transparent 12 mm x 6,3 m Model 768720
I cut a piece of 2-3 mm width and depending on the size of the stamp, use one-two pieces.
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Post by brightonpete on Jan 31, 2021 19:33:19 GMT
I have always just licked the mounts. Never a problem. Mounts are still in place 40+ years later! I swallow the saliva in my mouth so it isn't overly wet in there, lick & stick, with the stamp IN the mount. Heading on to 50 years and all's well!
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Post by angore on Feb 1, 2021 14:05:34 GMT
I use a glue stick to attach mounts. The glue stick is a repositionable formula and allows more often than not clean removal later. The adhesive consistency is similar Post It notes. I apply to page rather than mount. For stamps under 35mm. I use Hawid style (open sides/top) mount, When I was using water, I used a cotton swab to apply small amount of moisture in top center..
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Post by nagachilli on Feb 4, 2021 12:01:23 GMT
Hi again, help..!! My hawid strip mounts & single mounts arived today. I made a mock up album page with ordinary lined a4 pad paper cut a piece of mount, licked the back and placed it on the paper. Likewise with the individual mount. Nothing has stuck to anything..!!  Am I doing something wrong, they don't seem to be even gummed. Or maybe im missing something. If I have moistened them once are the mounts banjacked/ruined/damaged now. This is frustrating. Thanks. |
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Post by angore on Feb 4, 2021 12:05:25 GMT
If you moistened the side with the adhesive it should stick. Did you do both sides to see if any side sticks?
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Post by nagachilli on Feb 4, 2021 12:41:10 GMT
Hi again.
Well had a few more attempts now & used the q tip method. Behold it sticks.
Wow that's a relief, non of this stuff is cheap album, pages, now mounts, but I am ready now to make my first album page.
Thank you, I guess all you seasoned collectors have had similar issues when you were starting out. But thanks.
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Post by guilloutran on Feb 4, 2021 13:31:45 GMT
I began making album page just the last year. I did it in the past also, but just for test and in the end i didn't create a lot of pages... I was used to use plain mounts, with no adhesive on the back, attaching them with glue. I've tried vinilic glue, than Pritt-like sticks. The adherence seemed good on both types, but i've made my own rule to judge mount application. After one month you have glued the mounts on your page, lightly fold the page in correspondence of the mount. If the mount jumps away, then change glue... I found the best results not using glue, but biadhesive transparent scotch. 3M scotch Transparent 12 mm x 6,3 m Model 768720 I cut a piece of 2-3 mm width and depending on the size of the stamp, use one-two pieces. I heard Scott tape could be quite difficult to remove. Have you ever run into any issue? |
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Post by ameis33 on Feb 4, 2021 13:55:43 GMT
It's pretty impossible To be honest, if there is an error on a page, the page must be thrown (mounts included) and reprinted... Just after attaching mounts, you can detach and reposition them i don't say easily, but it is possible. But after some time, (a week?) when the glue polimerize, then it's pretty impossible... Not sure it is a bad or a good quality... But respect to lose mounts (with stamps in), i prefer much more this situation
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Post by jpotx113 on Feb 4, 2021 19:22:04 GMT
I use a glue stick to attach mounts. The glue stick is a repositionable formula and allows more often than not clean removal later. The adhesive consistency is similar Post It notes. I apply to page rather than mount. For stamps under 35mm. I use Hawid style (open sides/top) mount, When I was using water, I used a cotton swab to apply small amount of moisture in top center..
I also use glue sticks and was wondering what brand you use for that "clean removal". I wonder if it has to do more with your process, since I apply the glue to the mount, rather than the page.
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Post by Jerry B on Feb 4, 2021 21:46:25 GMT
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Post by nagachilli on Feb 4, 2021 22:42:32 GMT
Thank you everyone. Nagachilli
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Post by angore on Feb 5, 2021 11:33:33 GMT
I use Elmer's Craft Bond Repositionable Glue Stick. It is supposed to be Photo Safe but who knows. I only use them on mounts. Again, the glue stick consistency is similar to post it notes
When I say clean removal, I mean I can remove the mount from the page at a later date with a small chance of damaging the page. I just try to put a dab on so the minimum amount is used.
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 5, 2021 14:59:11 GMT
Man oh man. I just tried to order a couple of those glue sticks and new AirPods, but Amazon won't ship AirPods to me no matter what! They don't like my address. Brighton sucks when it comes to deliveries from some companies!
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 6, 2021 1:13:49 GMT
Today I found out some NOS mounts I purchased at what seemed like a good price,
.... the adhesive is ineffective on most mounts and some of the mounts come out pretty much stuck together like sticky notes for your desk top dispenser
Caveat emptor is alive and well
I will now only buy from trusted suppliers
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Post by guilloutran on Feb 6, 2021 8:29:21 GMT
It's pretty impossible To be honest, if there is an error on a page, the page must be thrown (mounts included) and reprinted... Just after attaching mounts, you can detach and reposition them i don't say easily, but it is possible. But after some time, (a week?) when the glue polimerize, then it's pretty impossible... Not sure it is a bad or a good quality... But respect to lose mounts (with stamps in), i prefer much more this situation
Crap. Grace to you, I have now figured out why I couldn’t remove the paper of the stamps sometime. I just recently bought a stamps book from Facebook Marketplace(mainly for the stock book) and there’re plenty of completed sets in the book. However, there’s this little piece of paper behind the mount and when I tried to soak the stamps, they’re not possible to be remove without rip the piece of paper off. As the effect, I’m not sure what to do with these stamps lol. Is there any way to remove this type of glue? |
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Post by angore on Feb 6, 2021 12:18:00 GMT
The product most often mentioned in dealing with self-adhesives is "Pure Citrus" Orange Air Freshener.
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 6, 2021 15:56:24 GMT
Pure Citrus works like a charm! Trouble is, it isn't available everywhere. In the USA, yes; in Canada? No! Rats!
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Post by ameis33 on Feb 6, 2021 17:08:28 GMT
The scotch must not be used for stamps like an hinge, but for mounts...
Water is not effective, you can try with other solvents, like exhane (which i use for self adhesive stamps, it is the zippo lighters benzine), but i've never tried.
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 6, 2021 17:32:56 GMT
Pure Citrus works like a charm! Trouble is, it isn't available everywhere. In the USA, yes; in Canada? No! Rats! Peter, The Walmart Canada website has a product, Pure Air Natural Air Freshener - Fresh Citrus, that may be the U.S. Canadian equivalent of Pure Citrus. It could be worth a try. |
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Post by brightonpete on Feb 6, 2021 22:14:47 GMT
I tried something similar from another store. Nothing like it. It stunk and didn't do much good, plus it was oily. I haven't bothered with anything else of the like up here since. |
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Post by tomiseksj on Feb 6, 2021 23:04:07 GMT
The Pure Citrus is somewhat oily, given it contains "100% natural, delightfully fragrant oils found in fresh oranges." Once I've removed the adhesive, I wipe the stamp with a tissue to remove any remaining residue.
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Post by ameis33 on Feb 7, 2021 10:49:28 GMT
Let me understand. Do you use a deodorant to remove glue?
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Post by angore on Feb 7, 2021 11:26:42 GMT
The key ingredient in the true "orange" products is limonene.
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