randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Feb 27, 2021 19:53:23 GMT
Just got several of these in a box of stamps I bought. My Scott catalogue does not cover foreign post cards. Does anyone have a catalog number for this (Scott would be great but I will take anything) or approx value to put in my database? Sure could use some help. Thanks as always. Jeff
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 27, 2021 20:14:08 GMT
Not an exact answer King Peter II, perforated stamps printed 1939-40 prior to the fall of Yugoslavia to Germany in 1941 There were several stamps of different denominations/colors (in fact renden has some of these in his quick- give-away elsewhere on the forum!) SG 142 - 154 2001 specialized catalogue has that denomination at .20 the Co.Ci. may be connected to some of the provincial entities that existed. King Peter fled to eventually set up a "Government in Exile" and several stamps were issued, as well as overprints no mention of postcards in SG either
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renden
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Post by renden on Feb 27, 2021 20:17:59 GMT
No problems with this 142-152 series (Scott) but the overprint I have not identified, yet - too busy doing quick giveaways LOL
René
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randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Feb 27, 2021 20:21:41 GMT
thanks to each of you for your input - beginning to narrow it down.
Jeff
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renden
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Post by renden on Feb 27, 2021 20:31:29 GMT
thanks to each of you for your input - beginning to narrow it down. Jeff Jeff Scott 141-152 gives you this series - this stamp is CV at 15¢ # 139 in Scott - I am trying to find the overprint René
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Feb 27, 2021 20:45:09 GMT
This isn't a stamp - it's a piece of postal stationery. As such, you won't find it in Scott, which doesn't list such things (except for their U.S. Specialized catalogue). The "Co. Ci." overprint was used for the Italian occupation of Ljubljana (now in Slovenia). This postal card is quite inexpensive in the unoverprinted version, not much above the catalogue minimum value, but it has a pretty strong value in the overprinted condition which makes it a target for counterfeit overprints, I expect. My Michel Western Europe postal stationery catalogue is getting pretty old now, it's from 20 years ago, but back then they listed it as number P22 (all Italian occupation postal cards are listed sequentially regardless of which territory was being occupied, so there's stuff in the list from other WWI and WWII areas as well). Value back then was €40 for unused and €90 for used (€62.50 / €100 for handstamped overprints, I don't know which one you have). Original date of issue for this card was Apr. 26, 1941.
Ryan
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randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Feb 27, 2021 20:45:25 GMT
Thanks René, I found the stamp in the catalog thank you, now just to get the post card version and overprint. The overprint is one I have never seen. (although Yugoslavia is not my specialty)
Jeff
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Post by randyharper on Feb 27, 2021 22:12:07 GMT
Thank you Ryan. I can use the P22 and not know about the type of overprint. The five that I have are stamped in different spot on the picture of King Peter and different levels of clarity and they are all post marked the same day. Suppose they would have to be expertized to authenticate and determine type of overprint but P22 will do for now. Thanks Evan and everyone else that responded. I will keep an eye out to see if anyone has any other info. You are all a great helps always.
jeff
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renden
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Post by renden on Feb 27, 2021 22:38:53 GMT
This isn't a stamp - it's a piece of postal stationery. Ryan Ryan I knew it was not a stamp I am used to CANADA stationery Just wanted to orient the member towards a series (stamps) Your post was great ! Thanks
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Post by rex on Feb 28, 2021 11:18:08 GMT
The overprint 'Co.Ci. ' are the initials of Civil Commissariat. (Commissariato Civile), ..in italian.
A bit of history on this overprint. But let's reconstruct the overall picture of that time in order.
Yugoslavia asks for surrender on 18.4.41. From 20.4.41 - Ribbentrop-Ciano agreements of Vienna of the same date - Slovenia is divided between Italy and Germany.
In Slovenia, a Civil Commissioner is formed for the Italian side. (Co.Ci)
By decree law of 3.5.1941, Slovenia is annexed to Italy in part as the province of Ljubljana and in part by expanding the province of Rijeka. The powers in this new province are not exercised by a Prefect but by a High Commissioner who is based in Ljubljana and is assisted by a local council.
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randyharper
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Post by randyharper on Mar 1, 2021 19:02:03 GMT
Thank you Rex - Civil Commission is great and now I can put the cards away. Thanks again to all that helped out. - Jeff
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