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Post by jkjblue on Sept 6, 2013 22:58:11 GMT
 The King of All Philatelists Award -  goes to the first individual to identify which country used this watermark. Ready....set.....Go!   |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 6, 2013 23:08:38 GMT
Two countries - Russia & Mongolia. (Not really a King of Philatelists, though - more like a King of Looking Up Things When I Know I Have a List of Watermarks Ordered by Illustration ...
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Post by Perfs14 on Sept 6, 2013 23:30:57 GMT
Mongolia?
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Post by Perfs14 on Sept 6, 2013 23:31:48 GMT
Shuks!
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Post by Perfs14 on Sept 6, 2013 23:36:59 GMT
But like Ryan just said ...it took me a while to get to the "M" part of Scott...LOL Prior, to that I had no idea, except that I knew that it wasn't anything I collected. Fortunately, that's what catalogues were created for at the time of the Big Bang...in one form or another! |
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Post by firstfrog2013 on Sept 6, 2013 23:57:08 GMT
I would have guessed Iowa looks like a corn maze.
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 7, 2013 1:12:11 GMT
The King of all Philatelists Award is given to... Ryan..who first guessed Mongolia and Russia and Perf 14.....who said Mongolia specifically  The watermark "Greek Border and Rosettes" was used on the 1932 issue- example above. Congratulations to our winners, who are now permitted to append after their signature on The Stamp Forum, "The King of All Philatelists". |
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Post by Perfs14 on Sept 7, 2013 2:40:42 GMT
I could not possibly ascend to such a title, but I am rather intrigued about the currency: "How much?" "Two Tugs" "...say what???"  |
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 7, 2013 2:47:05 GMT
100 Mungs = 1 Tugrik !!!!
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Post by Ryan on Sept 7, 2013 13:22:42 GMT
Here's a Russian issue with this watermark and the same approximate size, a 1927 issue commemorating the 40th anniversary of the creation of the Esperanto language.  Ryan |
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 7, 2013 14:54:12 GMT
It appears the watermark was used on a number of issues of Russia between 1925-1935. No doubt the Mongolian 1932 set was printed in Russia. I was thinking of Mongolia specifically as I was putting the set into the album, but Russia clearly is the one that used the watermark the most. Congratulations Ryan! |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 7, 2013 16:06:35 GMT
On a whim, I looked at Tannu Tuva. That Mongolian stamp shares clear design lineage with a bunch of stamps from Tuva, and sure enough, many of the Tuvan stamps also use that same watermark.
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 7, 2013 18:01:47 GMT
You are the King! |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 7, 2013 20:15:01 GMT
Nice thread, and nice work Ryan and Perfs. Can I post a similar teaser ? Which Scott-listed issue was printed on this paper ?  |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 7, 2013 21:40:14 GMT
I'll abstain this time, but I'll show the Scott illustration for the same watermark. It's interesting to imagine what the dandy roll looked like - was it sort of like an electroplate that was used to precancel American stamps, just a sheet with raised type? Or was it an old-fashioned wire screen contraption with all kinds of raised wires to make the impressions? If so, imagine all the little fiddly bits of wire needed for such a watermark.  Ryan |
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 8, 2013 4:24:12 GMT
Ryan- you might need to let us know - I don't have a clue. ;-)
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 8, 2013 6:54:05 GMT
The Dandy Roll watermark was by Edward Amies & Sons of Maidstone, Kent. Looking for more info on the type. Here is a link for those who wish to know basics: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WatermarkNot much of a clue, but the Watermark I showed in my post was also used for the stamp immediately to it's left !!  [< Or to the left of that silly Smiley ] |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 8, 2013 7:24:11 GMT
Just a side snippet of information.
Edwin Amies Grandson, Hardy Amies became an eminent Fashion designer, and one of his customers for many years was QEII. Her 1977
portrait for the Jubilee shows her wearing an Amies-designed Dress. He also designed the costumes for the movie 2001: A Space Odyssey by Kubrick.
Both Edwin Amies and Sons and the Hardy Amies Fashion Brand are going strong still today.
Edwin Amies & Sons are still working out of Maidstone in Kent.
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Post by Ryan on Sept 8, 2013 10:46:15 GMT
Ryan- you might need to let us know - I don't have a clue. ;-) Then here's a clue - you almost posted the stamp on your blog yesterday! Well, to be pedantic, you posted almost the stamp ... Ryan |
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Post by jkjblue on Sept 8, 2013 14:50:14 GMT
Thanks Ryan- with that big fat clue, I found an example of the "Multiple Airplanes" watermark stamp...I think.  This stamp was used....  But with this overprint..... And applied on Wmk 216 "Multiple Airplanes" watermarked paper, to end up with 1928-31 Luxembourg O179 2fr black "View of Clervaux" Official stamp! Who Knew? - Not me!!! |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 8, 2013 15:37:34 GMT
1928-31 Luxembourg O179 2fr black "View of Clervaux" Official stamp! That's the one, and a very strange example it is. It seems so odd that the overprinted stamp would have a different watermark than the same stamp without the overprint. In other words, a special printing was made using different paper strictly for the overprinted version - it would seem so much easier to just take a stack of sheets already printed and apply the overprint to those. Ryan |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 8, 2013 18:30:03 GMT
1928-31 Luxembourg O179 2fr black "View of Clervaux" Official stamp! That's the one, and a very strange example it is. It seems so odd that the overprinted stamp would have a different watermark than the same stamp without the overprint. In other words, a special printing was made using different paper strictly for the overprinted version - it would seem so much easier to just take a stack of sheets already printed and apply the overprint to those. Ryan .....especially as both types were issued on the same day. I have no idea of the stamp printer.....if it was De La Rue then there might be some logic. Any idea? |
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Post by Ryan on Sept 8, 2013 19:17:22 GMT
I have no idea of the stamp printer.....if it was De La Rue then there might be some logic. Any idea? I do have a copy of a Prifix catalogue, the specialized catalogue for Luxembourg. They don't list the printer for any of the official stamps, unfortunately, at least not in my older copy. But the stamp without overprint is shown as being printed by Enschedé in Holland. Ryan |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Sept 8, 2013 19:38:16 GMT
As both stamps were issued on the same day, it hardly seems logical that they would have different printers.
I wonder what paper they used at Enschede, and where it came from ?
These little teasers can get one searching for ages...I know I have been checking out Luxembourg stamps and sites for an hour or more.
I was looking closely at the Definitive and the Official to see if there were any diferences in the printing.
I thought maybe De La Rue had some excess quatities of paper from the 1923 Exhibition issue.
The fun of Philately.......
Guess I'll try again later.
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P.S. Ryan, message sent through the board.
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goes to the first individual to identify which country used this watermark.
[< Or to the left of that silly Smiley ]