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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 1:05:10 GMT
Obviously, many times the digits are either mangled or unclear. I am not an expert and can only circle/explain what I think I see. I welcome posting of any differences in opinion or alternate suggestions. I'm trying to refine my method as well...
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 10, 2021 1:13:03 GMT
Any observations on the 3 I posted on November 6th? I didn't reply when you posted because the resolution wasn't high enough for me to make a comfortable ID. I probably should have posted a request for a higher resolution pic. I can concur that it is a single digit plate number, either plate 3 or plate 8. To be honest knowing plate numbers is nice but I have always been more intrigued with the so called inverted ‘T’ on the one. One gets so trusting in Google that I felt certain I would find reference to the variety and on which plate number it occurred. It appears too distinct to be an inking error.
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 1:33:07 GMT
Oh, I thought you were asking about the plate 3 pic you had posted. Now I understand you were asking about the pic of 3 Bantams.
This thread was the first time I've heard of an inverted T variety for a Bantam stamp. So I am unfamiliar with this variety.
Regarding the T flaw, I only have an old 1979 SG GB Specialised with me. It does not mention any ET check letter flaw for the Bantams. Maybe someone has a more recent edition readily available?
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 10, 2021 2:05:06 GMT
Oh, I thought you were asking about the plate 3 pic you had posted. Now I understand you were asking about the pic of 3 Bantams. This thread was the first time I've heard of an inverted T variety for a Bantam stamp. So I am unfamiliar with this variety. Regarding the T flaw, I only have an old 1979 SG GB Specialised with me. It does not mention any ET check letter flaw for the Bantams. Maybe someone has a more recent edition readily available? Here are what I believe are better resolutions of my 3. The one with a 41 cancellation appears to be 3 for sure. I am surprised the other 2 don’t jump out at me as the cancellations to not obliterate badly.
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 3:05:51 GMT
Yes, much better pics, thanks.
Agreed, the CW Bantam appears to be plate 3.
The ET Bantam does look like it has a leg on the upper left check letter T. Looks like plate 13.
The EN Bantam does not have a clear plate number, but does appear to be single digit plate number. I think I see a 2 curves at the right-side digit placement and possibly an upper curve at the left-side digit placement -- but it's really hard to say given the background pattern can entice the imagination when the plate digit is very weak. So I won't suggest plate number possibilities for this stamp other than it appears to be a single digit plate number.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 10, 2021 14:31:49 GMT
Here's images taken with my dissecting scope.... still a guess maybe Plate 12. but seems in the wrong place....
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Post by WERT on Nov 10, 2021 15:38:27 GMT
Hi stainlessb..Maybe 27..I am no expert though. Robert
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 16:05:35 GMT
There are only plates 1,3-6,8-15,19-20.
The difficulty with weak plate numbers is trying to filter out the background "noise" of the wavy lines and diagonals -- the eye/mind is a pretty powerful image processor that can both help us see poorly defined images or make us see things that aren't there.
In your right half slice, what appears to be a "2", to me seems to be no different from a blank (i.e., normal lathe work). Compare to my plate 8 right half slice on page 1 of this thread. You will see the blank slot appears identical. I believe it is a single digit plate number, with the plate number obscured by the cancel. On your left half slice, that single digit plate number is mangled beyond recognition (to my eyes). I would normally toss this stamp into the "not yet identifiable plate number" glassine.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 10, 2021 16:32:35 GMT
one for the junk drawer!
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 16:35:26 GMT
If it were my stamp, it would almost be guaranteed that it is an unidentifiable plate 9.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 10, 2021 19:31:26 GMT
If I squint hard enough and tily my head just right I think I do see a 9!?! The sleeper Plate 9!!!!!
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 20:01:23 GMT
May have to do a little drinking, too. You'll see the plate 9. Also, a few plate 77 on the penny reds as well.
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 10, 2021 20:05:56 GMT
Double squint and 225!!!
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Post by khj on Nov 10, 2021 20:14:45 GMT
Can't remember if I posted my plate 225 or not. I'll find the time to check that thread and see... EDIT: OK, I guess I didn't post it yet. In the Penny Red thread, I have now posted my Plate 225.
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 1, 2022 18:26:24 GMT
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what Plate this is? maybe 8... but the "8" doesn't quite look right. I have soaked to try and remove as much grime as possible, but the obliteration is making things difficult
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Post by renden on Mar 1, 2022 19:04:41 GMT
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 1, 2022 20:16:48 GMT
127? Plates only go up to 20 and a couple of plates were not used
i do see what looks like a "2" but that seems to be too far to the left? and what I thought maybe an "8" might even be a "3"
and it may be one of those unable to identify...of which i have a few!
Thanks for trying this- I always forget about "reveal"
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 1, 2022 20:41:42 GMT
I incline to “8”. Under the black smudge by the lower serifs on the 1 of the left hand 1/2d
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Post by khj on Mar 2, 2022 0:20:13 GMT
Anyone care to hazard a guess as to what Plate this is? maybe 8... but the "8" doesn't quite look right. i do see what looks like a "2" but that seems to be too far to the left? and what I thought maybe an "8" might even be a "3" The pic I quoted is the better one to provide initial insight. Normally #8 and #20 are pretty clear unless obscured by postmark or scratch. The pic suggests #8 (JMO). The "0" is absent, so not #20. Also in the pic, the left side of the "8" is clearly closed; if it were a #3, the "open" side of the #3 would be where the clearly closed loops are, so it cannot be #3. Reference the right side pics in my cumulative comparison pic on page 1 of this thread.
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Post by stainlessb on Mar 11, 2022 23:57:22 GMT
Progress! I have a small lot of plate 1 coming which all look to be less obliterated than mine, and today plate 15 arrived, only one to go (and to quote the Beatles..."number nine , number nine, number nine...."
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 8, 2024 13:05:59 GMT
It has been awhile since we have played the guess the bantam plate number. I found this one in an old album last night. it is great that it is not heavily obliterated. I am guessing it is plate 8. 8.
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Post by salmantino on Feb 8, 2024 14:21:14 GMT
It has been awhile since we have played the guess the bantam plate number. I found this one in an old album last night. it is great that it is not heavily obliterated. I am guessing it is plate 8. 13
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 8, 2024 16:37:05 GMT
My scanned images at 600 and then cropped I now realize are not so great. In this photo taken with my iPhone and not overly cropped does show the 8 or 3 clearer. I still lean to 8 although that could be a 1 to the left which would then make it 13 since there is no plate 18. Edit: Upon looking at an earlier comparative post by khj I will now agree it is 13.
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Post by salmantino on Feb 8, 2024 16:40:38 GMT
My scanned images at 600 and then cropped I now realize are not so great. In this photo taken with my iPhone and not overly cropped does show the 8 or 3 clearer. I still lean to 8 although that could be a 1 to the left which would then make it 13 since there is no plate 18. That was my consideration for making it a plate 13.
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Post by hdm1950 on Feb 8, 2024 16:45:40 GMT
My scanned images at 600 and then cropped I now realize are not so great. In this photo taken with my iPhone and not overly cropped does show the 8 or 3 clearer. I still lean to 8 although that could be a 1 to the left which would then make it 13 since there is no plate 18. That was my consideration for making it a plate 13. I edited my previous post after looking at an excellent earlier post in the thread.
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Post by wakeybluenose on Feb 28, 2024 11:54:28 GMT
Good morning ladies and gents, Recently acquired a batch of 14 Bantams - this is the only one I'm struggling to plate! I would appreciate your best guesses please.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 28, 2024 12:41:32 GMT
Good morning ladies and gents, Recently acquired a batch of 14 Bantams - this is the only one I'm struggling to plate! I would appreciate your best guesses please. 10 ? Another strange thing, I would have Pmk as BRIDPORT, but there seems to be an "E" at the end? There is BRIDGEND (Glamorgan) but that does not fit
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Post by stainlessb on Feb 28, 2024 15:04:30 GMT
The zero seems pretty clear, and the year cancel 1874 makes it too early for 20, so I would agree with rod222 that it is 10 The postmark when visible can be quite useful for these situations
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Post by khj on Feb 28, 2024 17:05:15 GMT
rod222, why do you say BRIDGEND would not fit?
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Post by marbles on Feb 28, 2024 17:33:19 GMT
Just wanting to know how you identify the plate
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