hkwill
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Post by hkwill on Jul 12, 2021 13:57:20 GMT
Might read HERNA? would be grateful for the postmark location on this Queen Victoria HK 2 cent brown is the year date 71? thanks  |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jul 12, 2021 16:20:30 GMT
Thanks for your post, Will ( hkwill).... An interesting postmark, and not all that easy to identify. I can see where you get HERNA, but I am wondering if WERNA could be more likely. I am not completely sure how to search for names with only partial letters, but I did find that there is a town in Germany named Wernau, although it's hard for me to imagine how a German town postmark would have ended up on a QV Hong Kong stamp! As for the year, I agree that it looks like 71, presumably for 1871. Sorry, that's about all I can come up with for the moment. |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 12, 2021 16:27:03 GMT
My instinct feeling is that the cancel looks European in style, but that might be misleading. Nothing in Sweden fits. There seems to be space for only one or two letters after the A . and the 1st letter might be H or it might be W . All I can find in my world gazetteer Are HERNAD in Hungary and WERNAU in Germany but nether makes much sense for an arrival mark EDIT I see my friend Chris Beryllium Guy has come up with a similar suggestion as I was typing ...................................."Great minds etc etc |
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Post by wakeybluenose on Jul 12, 2021 19:37:59 GMT
I had a little search as well, I also found the Hernad in Hungary but coincidentally a (medical supplies I think) company based in Hong Kong called Hernad Co. Ltd... can't see how that helps, but the fact that a HK company called themselves that is interesting and might suggest a connection! 🤔
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stainlessb
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Post by stainlessb on Jul 12, 2021 20:12:17 GMT
I am going to go with the WERNA 'side" the spacing between the bottom of each letter is fairly uniform and there is too much area to the right of the A to make me thing there was another letter in the city name, especially with as heavily inked the obliteration is. It may well be a receiving postmark and the clerk placed it on the QV HK stamp to make sure it was not re-used.
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Post by daniel on Jul 12, 2021 22:49:04 GMT
The postmark looks like an Austrian thimble cancel see here in which case, given the year of 1871, it could be from anywhere in the Austro-Hungarian Empire. There must be more wording to the right so as to centre the name of the place over the 9, but it could be bilingual. I've given up on deciphering it. It could even be ship mail from Hong Kong which would also explain a foreign postmark. |
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 13, 2021 11:26:25 GMT
For ship mail , the foreign postmark would need to be a seaport . Otherwise it could be a random arrival or transit mark which just happens to hit a previously uncancelled stamp on a larger item from Hong Kong. 2c would not be enough postage on its own .
I agree the postmark style looks very Austrian, Hernad was in Hungary , Wernau is in Germany. I can’t find any other locations that fit
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hkwill
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Post by hkwill on Jul 14, 2021 11:06:52 GMT
on another board - it was identified as Hernals - a district of Vienna thanks for the help  |
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Post by dosamaniac on Jul 14, 2021 12:00:08 GMT
It is indeed Hernals. There is no place in Österreich or Magyarország, beginning with Werna. In Magyarország, there are 6 places beginning with Herna viz , Hernád, Hernádbűd, Hernádi Tanyák, Hernádkak, Hernádszurdok and Hernádvécse but none fits into the symmetry of the alphabet arrangement in the postmark. |
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napo
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Post by napo on Jul 27, 2021 4:15:30 GMT
I presume it was a Hongkong stamp, and therefore, I also presume that HERNA... was one of the parts of Hongkong.
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vikingeck
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Post by vikingeck on Jul 27, 2021 10:55:49 GMT
I presume it was a Hongkong stamp, and therefore, I also presume that HERNA... was one of the parts of Hongkong. I think it has already been established satisfactorily that HERNA.. is HERNALS in Vienna Austria and definitely not part of Hong Kong .Most probably it was on a letter from Hong Kong which got an arrival mark in Vienna. These arrival marks usually are struck on the back of a letter or some blank space on the front. In this instance it has struck a stamp which was previously uncancelled in HongKong . |
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