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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 5, 2021 20:35:46 GMT
Stamp time has been very limited this year and only now have I got around to the Commonwealth Collection that I have been selling for a friend (on & off). Today I was presented with a few quiet hours and even with my limited knowledge of such items, I managed to catalogue most of a whole stockbook. It was tough but also fun. So I have a few questions about the items below: First is this King George II 5d Stamp from Tonga, SG#34b. My catalogue states that there is a 'Black Eye' flaw on each of the 5d types. So is this one of them ? There is no used price in the Catalogue (2015 CW & British Empire Stamps, 1840-1970). What do you think ? It looks genuine and I have used a strong (30X) magnifier on the 'eye' in case someone used a blue pen to fill in the white spot !   The next one is most likely a forged overprint type. There are many varieties of the Jamaica 'War Stamp' overprints but I have yet to find this one. It is 1mm taller than most and the 'p' has dropped. Also, the full stop is after the 'a' !! It somehow doesn't look right. Thoughts ? I have included a bunch of the overprints for comparison.   Last one is a lost cause although I know there are a few knowledgeable folk on the COGH Triangulars here at TSF. The bottom two I know are Spacefillers or worse but what of the Blue one on top. It's poor but how can I tell which type it is ? All good fun, as I said. Thanks for any help, opinions or rotten tomatoes !   Londonbus1 |
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Post by khj on Oct 5, 2021 21:42:29 GMT
LB1, yes, the Tonga stamp you have is the "black eye flaw". SG Tonga 34ba.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 5, 2021 22:48:57 GMT
Hi, Michael ( Londonbus1 ), nice to see your post! Is it possible to get a better resolution scan of the triangles? I will give you my best guess, but it is hard to tell without a bit better images. It would also be very helpful to have scans of the backs. OK, here are my best guesses from the image: Top: 4-Pence Blue: Based on the colour of the front, I am guessing that this is an SG6 or SG6a. We would need a good, clear scan of the back to tell if there is any blueing or not. If there is, it could be an SG2 or SG4, depending on how much blueing. Still based on the colour, I don't think it is an SG19. Lower Left: 1-Penny Brick Red: Sorry, but I think that this is a forgery. If I am wrong, and it is not a forgery, the colour looks brick red with some bluish shading, which suggests that it would be an SG1 or SG3, depending on how much blueing is evident on the back. Again, we would need to see a scan of the back. Lower Right: 6-Pence Pale Rose Lilac: This looks like a faded copy, but appears genuine from what I can tell. Unfortunately, the 6d issues are very prone to fading. It's too bad, because it appears to have nice margins. Can you see the anchor watermarks on the backs of any of these?
Edit: Subsequent review of better scans, both front and back, has revealed that the 1d is also genuine. Will make a a new post. |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 6, 2021 18:36:30 GMT
Scans going to Beryllium Guy tomorrow. If anyone has a more recent catalogue for Commonwealth stamps (mine is 2015), then I would love to know if there is a value for the Tonga 'Black Eye' variety. Many thanks. More queries to come in this thread. Londonbus1 |
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Post by khj on Oct 7, 2021 7:23:00 GMT
If anyone has a more recent catalogue for Commonwealth stamps (mine is 2015), then I would love to know if there is a value for the Tonga 'Black Eye' variety. There is still no used price listed for Tonga 34ba in my 2020 SG Commonwealth & British Empires Stamps 1840-1970 catalogue. My SG Western Pacific catalogue is a 2006 edition. k |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 7, 2021 11:21:42 GMT
Update on LB1 Cape TrianglesMany thanks to Michael ( Londonbus1) for sending me detailed scans of fronts and backs for further review. Revised/confirmed IDs are as follows: 1d: SG3 Brick Red on Slightly Blued PaperRough condition, but clear watermark and evidence of blueing on both back and front, but on the back is the most important. I had been originally concerned about some features on the front that were hard to see, but now it is clear that this stamp is genuine. 4d: SG6 Deep Blue on "White" PaperAppears to be a sound, 2-margin copy, with no traces of blueing on the back that I could see, which confirms it as SG6. 6d: SG7 Pale Rose Lilac on "White" PaperSound, 3-margin, but faded copy of this stamp. Unfortunately, the 6d lilac shades are highly susceptible to fading, and this copy has been affected. It's a real shame, as in all other respects it appears sound, and the cancel is not too heavy. Seeing the backs was key to doing a proper ID on these; they should always be checked on these stamps. In this case, the scans of the backs showed clear evidence of the upright anchor watermark on all three stamps, which removes any lingering doubts about genuine versus forgery. Thanks for this, Michael, I had fun doing it! 
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 7, 2021 20:39:48 GMT
Thanks Beryllium Guy and khj ! Here's a couple for one of our many New Zealand specialists !  |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Oct 7, 2021 20:44:15 GMT
NZ Chalons for ID have arrived.... please see previous post to help with identification: DKgcskidmurfz1 |
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Post by skid on Oct 7, 2021 23:12:00 GMT
Can you provide a scan of the back so we can see the watermark. That's the easiest way to ID them. Colour and wear also help.
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Post by DK on Oct 7, 2021 23:39:54 GMT
They are, as Skid said, dependent on watermark. Back scans always helpful too. If 'Large Star' wmk then they are SG39 & SG43 If 'NZ' wmk then they are SG98 & SG99 Sometimes, and I mean sometimes, the 6d red-brown imperf could be a perf SG122 issued imperf when the perforator was having issues (happened quite often). These are hard to distinguish for the amateur collector. Dave |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 8, 2021 9:20:22 GMT
Beryllium Guy, DK and skidSorry my bad, I should have said they were the Large Star watermark. Scans of backs anyway just to be certain and thanks for the help. What % of catalogue might these be listed at. New Zealand is all a bit...er, new to me. I've had fun with most of the other CW countries but one or two have proven to be a test. Thanks again, Londonbus1  
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Post by skid on Oct 8, 2021 23:08:55 GMT
The two pence is SG 36-39 and this can be refined by looking at wear and color. I not that good at this. I would guess SG 39 blue to deep blue Plate I very worn. Agreeing with Dave.
The 6d could be 41-43. I would again agree with Dave that it looks like red-brown, so SG 43.
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Post by DK on Oct 9, 2021 1:23:05 GMT
What % of catalogue might these be listed at. New Zealand is all a bit...er, new to me. SG39 is CV £90 in the SG catalog and the SG43 is £110 So it depends on the method on how you go about listing things for sale really. Do you list at 99p start and hope for the best? or do you list at top dollar and hope for the best? Or do you list at a percentage of CV at what it should sell for approximately? hmmmm - I don't know how you do things but as a final sale price I would suspect that the 2d blue should get about £20-25 and the 6d red-brown a bit more - say £25-30. Condition is very important, as always, and the 6d is the better of the two in that regard. But I could be very wrong as it depends on the day, who's about, luck, etc etc So lets answer your question directly and say start them at about 20-25% cat and see how you go. Dave NB: no responsibilty taken with the outcome :-) |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Oct 9, 2021 6:49:32 GMT
Thanks again skid and DK and especially for the thoughts on selling price/value. Much appreciated. Londonbus1 |
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