Mr. H
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Post by Mr. H on Nov 7, 2021 20:20:46 GMT
I cam e across this today in my Argentina pile, but can't identify the overprint. It's smaller than the usual M.G. and spread a bit further apart. It seems closer to the M.O.P. (minus the P.), but that should be Roman. Any thoughts?  |
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salentin
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Post by salentin on Nov 8, 2021 7:25:08 GMT
Possibly a slightly mutilated " M. G. " ? (Ministery of War)
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Mr. H
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Post by Mr. H on Nov 8, 2021 14:27:54 GMT
 Here's a side by side. |
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Post by khj on Nov 8, 2021 17:26:21 GMT
I agree with salentin. Both stamps appear to be Scott Argentina OD82(1924), which is for Type I overprint (sans serif). The overprint on the stamp at right looks like it might have been made from a worn/underinked device. I overlaid the spacing, and the periods line up, so they should be same. Vertically, the overprint on right appears shorter, but again, I suspect that is caused by the top and bottom parts of the overprint not showing from underinking or wear -- you can see that the periods appear chopped off at the bottom, and the top part of the G looks incomplete as well. |
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Post by rex on Nov 8, 2021 17:27:14 GMT
I don't think it's MG but 'MC, could it be Ministry of Commerce or Culture .. ??
These the most common on argentine stamps.
M.A. - Ministry of Agriculture
M.G. - Ministry of War
M.H. - Ministry of Finance
M.I. - Ministry of the Interior
M.J.I. - Ministry of Justice and Instruction
M.M. - Ministry of Marine
M.O.P. - Ministry of Public Works
M.R.C. - Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Religion
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Post by khj on Nov 8, 2021 17:30:47 GMT
As far as I know, there is no "M. C." overprint for Argentina department official stamps.
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Post by rex on Nov 8, 2021 17:39:07 GMT
Mine is just a guess. Certainly khj is right. |
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Post by khj on Nov 8, 2021 17:50:14 GMT
I don't know enough about Argentina to know if there might have been provisional/local overprints made (e.g., Philippines, where the sky is the limit because they were made with different typewriters!!!). I didn't really check the Argentinian specialty catalogs either. So other possibilities, including the one made by rex are not outside the realm of possibility. That's why I sometimes will phrase my reply with "as far as I know" -- as there is plenty that I don't know. New discoveries, although not common, are always exciting... |
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Post by rex on Nov 8, 2021 18:03:20 GMT
In fact, I can't find MC on any list. We hope we have helped Mr. H with our guesses as well. |
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Post by Mr. H on Nov 8, 2021 19:44:12 GMT
Thanks for the guesses. The underinking sounds like a real possibility. I'll go on that basis, until someone come up with something else.
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Post by daniel on Nov 8, 2021 22:54:25 GMT
Mr. H , I'm no expert either...but here's my tuppence-worth. It's clearly badly inked but shows signs of over-inking in parts, that's a very blotchy G. The second letter is too wide to be the same G as your other example. Moreover, there are definite signs of serifs at the bottom of the M and also at the top if you zoom in on your image. In this image, a similar but 10c dark green version has the with-serif overprint and looking at the other stamps, the overprints seem to come in different sizes. Just my opinion  
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Post by khj on Nov 9, 2021 1:14:24 GMT
On the serif overprints, the left leg of the "M" and top of the "G" are supposed to be very thin. That is why I ID'ed it as sans serif font, given the tops/bottoms were cut off and can't see those serifs.
However, if over-inked, then yeah, the supposedly thin parts of the fonts would be thicker than normal.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 12, 2022 9:10:03 GMT
big thanks to rex for posting details of Argentine Ministry overprints - very helpful. Here is another single I've just found - the 20 c. ultramarine from this def. set, showing overprint M.J.I. - 'Ministry of Justice and Instruction'.  |
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 12, 2022 9:42:41 GMT
big thanks to rex for posting details of Argentine Ministry overprints - very helpful. Here is another single I've just found - the 20 c. ultramarine from this def. set, showing overprint M.J.I. - 'Ministry of Justice and Instruction'. |
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Post by paul1 on Jun 12, 2022 10:14:12 GMT
thanks for the correction tobben63 - appreciated. Are you able to provide the source for this revised wording - assume it's from one of the big catalogues - provenance is comforting:-) Many thanks.
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Post by tobben63 on Jun 12, 2022 12:45:24 GMT
thanks for the correction tobben63 - appreciated. Are you able to provide the source for this revised wording - assume it's from one of the big catalogues - provenance is comforting:-) Many thanks. |
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Post by hdm1950 on Jan 11, 2023 22:35:55 GMT
Looking through a collection and I came across this very common stamp with what appears to be a tuberculosis overprint or cancel. I see nothing in the Scott back of book listing this. I am sure there is no value especially with the damage, I just am wondering if these are common.  |
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