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Post by teenkee on Nov 28, 2021 14:47:31 GMT
I do like the challenge also but at some point I have to give up. The first one all I can make out is republique francaise. You can see the rest. I would think it would be a colony stamp. The second I wasn't sure was a postage stamp but found out there are such things as contract notes. Thank you. Not too many orphans left, then on to USA.
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Post by greaden on Nov 28, 2021 15:39:03 GMT
The stamp with the Arabic overprint is a revenue from the State of Syria, which lasted from 1925-1930, in between a kingdom and a republic. It was a League of Nations mandate, ruled by France, and was an absolute mess.
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Post by daniel on Nov 28, 2021 16:01:11 GMT
The second stamp is, as you say, a Contract Note revenue stamp from 1943 for Ireland. It should have an 'e' watermark. A Contract Note is the legal record of any trade made by a stockbroker on a stock exchange.
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Post by teenkee on Nov 28, 2021 20:29:07 GMT
I have a whole lot of these and found all but these two. As I'm sure you know there are a whole lot of catagories for these. THANKS.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 28, 2021 20:50:04 GMT
In February 1971. The UK changed from pounds shillings and pence to decimal currency with 100 new pence equal to the pound.
The postal workers organised a national postal strike for several weeks at that time over wages and working conditions .
A number of individuals and organisations set up largely local delivery services in the meantime . Many of these had private labels “stamps”. What you show are labels for one of many such services . Some worked , some did not. Yours show the old shilling money and also the new decimal equivalent.. as they were local services I don’t think the International is more than a hopeful curio.
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Post by teenkee on Nov 28, 2021 22:23:02 GMT
Ok thank you. I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence. I realize the countries of origin can be plainly seen but I cannot find these in any database. Thank you.
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Post by greaden on Nov 29, 2021 1:33:53 GMT
(See previous post for images.) Ok thank you. I'm not trying to insult anyone's intelligence. I realize the countries of origin can be plainly seen but I cannot find these in any database. Thank you. The state of Oman is completely fake, and not to be confused with the Sultanate of Oman. They were stickers printed for sale to collectors. Sharjah existed,butit is not clear which of its stamps ever saw postal usage, so catalogues often ignore stickers printed on Sharjah's behalf as if they were stamps.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 29, 2021 9:18:11 GMT
In the UK we refer to issues from Ajman, Fujairah, Sharjah etc as “Sand dunes”! They get little notice from most collectors. These spurious issues, doubtful or even fake , come from a time in the 1980s when stamp collecting was being encouraged by “investment” ads. A lot of new collectors were conned into buying things like these, and some “entrepreneurs” no doubt made some money from their ignorance.
The majority were never listed or if they were put in a catalogue, they appear as an appendix.
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Post by angore on Nov 29, 2021 11:27:43 GMT
Michel lists many of the "sand dune" issues. The stamp on right is Michel Sharjah 613. Scott has been adding some of the issues.
There two main areas: Trucial States (what is now called UAE) and those in south around Yemen (still in turmoil). The Yemen exile government issues look legitimate compared to the late 60;s and later issues from the areas.
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Post by teenkee on Nov 29, 2021 15:48:27 GMT
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Post by khj on Nov 29, 2021 19:46:14 GMT
From left to right:
1. Scott Japan 109(10May1900), it is badly faded and should be carmine color 2. Spain/Colonies, is this on thicker paper? I am wondering if this is envelope/card cut-out as I cannot make out the bottom tablet 3. Great Britain, denomination obscured, but based on the color, maybe the 2½p Machin 4. Is this a round stamp or is it a square stamp with perfs cut off by your scanning software? I noticed all your pics are too closely cropped, with the perfs often being trimmed off completely. I suggest tweaking your software auto-cropping settings. Being able to see the full edge of the stamp does make a difference sometimes. That way we can tell if it is a stamp or a label or what...
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Post by khj on Nov 30, 2021 1:34:52 GMT
The last 2 go together. I thought Hungary or Romania. Just occurred to me to check Poland maybe. My uncle was no dummy when it came to this stuff. I just wish he was more organized. Thanks. OK, now I understand what you meant by that sentence. I have re-sequenced your last two pictures in the quote above, as the medal should appear below the pink triangle. It is the middle label from the Poland issue commemorating the 1964 Olympics. The cropping and separation of the label into 2 parts in your original post threw me off.
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Post by khj on Nov 30, 2021 1:45:31 GMT
Here is the full pane. The medal label is in the middle of the top row.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 30, 2021 8:18:38 GMT
Well spotted khj and rescued from obscurity. I was completely at a loss and would never have guessed that Polish interpanneau label. You deserve a medal! The second stamp from Spain above is a postal card cut out , hence the absence of perforations .
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Post by teenkee on Nov 30, 2021 19:27:13 GMT
Congrats. As I said, I like the challenge and try my hardest but can't figure it all out. We discussed mail strike stamps. I spent most of yesterday combing through colnect.com and located all but these two. If you guys don't know I'll comb through again. Also, under what country or category would that State of Syria stampbe found? Thank you.
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 30, 2021 19:35:56 GMT
These are bogus labels , jumping on the Mail strike band waggon……. A complete con!
STROMA is actually an uninhabited island off the north end of Scotland with a population of 300 sheep in the summer. Absolutely no possible use for Stamps. Scottish sheep are pretty smart but none has learned to write letters.
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Post by renden on Nov 30, 2021 20:01:25 GMT
teenkee Thanks for showing these 2 Cinderellas - Stroma,( the Island of Stroma or Stroma, is an island off the northern coast of the mainland of Scotland)... does not issue (from what I gather-I might be wrong) any postal Stamps per se - SCOTT cat does not mention it but a Google search brings interesting stuff - BTW: I have several "CAT" stamps (cinderellas) from Stroma, in my Cat collection - They are overprinted with different content, mine look like labels, not stamps, imperf..... to commemorate the investiture of H.R.H. the Prince of Wales 1st July 1969........ which explains I did not scan them. P.S. Vikingeck responded before me while I was writing !! René
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Post by daniel on Nov 30, 2021 21:22:21 GMT
These are bogus labels , jumping on the Mail strike band waggon……. A complete con! STROMA is actually an uninhabited island off the north end of Scotland with a population of 300 sheep in the summer. Absolutely no possible use for Stamps. Scottish sheep are pretty smart but none has learned to write letters. But Stroma is crossed out, so, as with my examples of Herm Island overprinted Southampton 1971 Strike Post, see here, they are examples of existing Cinderellas re-used for a strike mail service. Here's an example on cover, probably from Rushstamps in Southampton, sent to France and probably philatelic. How legitimate these services were is a different matter
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Post by vikingeck on Nov 30, 2021 22:32:59 GMT
These are bogus labels , jumping on the Mail strike band waggon……. A complete con! But Stroma is crossed out…………How legitimate these services were is a different matter Once a jam pot label always a jam pot label. They hardly deserve the epithet “Cinderella” . As legitimate as a £3 note. The example you cite is not using the STROMA mini sheet for any postal purpose. The postage is paid legitimately by the French stamp. The mini sheet is nothing but a decoration.
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Post by daniel on Dec 1, 2021 1:39:54 GMT
But Stroma is crossed out…………How legitimate these services were is a different matter Once a jam pot label always a jam pot label. They hardly deserve the epithet “Cinderella” . As legitimate as a £3 note. The example you cite is not using the STROMA mini sheet for any postal purpose. The postage is paid legitimately by the French stamp. The mini sheet is nothing but a decoration. But how did it get to France from Southampton? That's what the five bob is paying for.
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Post by vikingeck on Dec 1, 2021 9:23:32 GMT
If as you suggest , a big dealer is involved, why not produce the labels, decorate a few hundred covers ( if they made the labels themselves, then no one actually paid the 5/-) then give a junior staff member a day trip from Southampton on the ferry to leHavre, or simply freight them in a parcel by ferry Where they can be legitimately mailed with a French stamp c/o their agent at “Eurohaul” on the dockside at Le Havre and subsequently returned in bulk to the dealer.
I maintain the strike post is just a label and no one paid 5/- for a mail service . The costs were all in the preparation with the intention of recovering a profit in later sales of a”strike mail”.
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Post by teenkee on Dec 2, 2021 19:45:28 GMT
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Post by daniel on Dec 2, 2021 21:20:26 GMT
teenkee , these come under the general heading of Cinderella Stamps, that is non-postage stamps. Top left, one of many World War II V for Victory stamps, this one issued for the British American Ambulance Corps of New York. Next 3 examples of stamps commemorating the birth of George Washington, see this link for other examples. The Appreciation Receipts are known as Trading Stamps, this is a common design used by various outlets to encourage repeat business. They are relatively high value, 10c (I've also seen 15c) so would likely be for stores selling more expensive items such as car parts. Typically, Trading stamps were denominated in fractions of a cent in the US which should give you some idea. The Discharged Veterans of World War II, I've not seen that one before but it must have been issued to raise funds for that charity.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Dec 2, 2021 21:40:11 GMT
Also, under what country or category would that State of Syria stamp be found? The French Syria example is a revenue issue, not a postage stamp. If you are determined to find it in a catalogue, you will need one that lists revenues, unless it was at some point used for postal purposes. Personally, I am not sure about this. Xavier ( hrdoktorx ) or Bob ( anglobob ), as you both collect French colonial issues, can one of you help with this request from teenkee ?
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Post by teenkee on Dec 2, 2021 22:46:42 GMT
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Post by khj on Dec 3, 2021 4:08:30 GMT
Top left (the upside-down one) is a local Easter Seal issued by Children's Hospital Aid Society of Calgary, Alberta (Canada). I believe you have the 1954 issue.
Again, I repeat my request that you tweak your auto-cropping settings so that the perforations don't get cut off or single items don't get split into multiple pics (it confused me on that Polish 1964 Olympics label). This particular seal design was issued over multiple years, with variations in color, perforations/rouletting... When you chop off the perforations, it makes IDing it a tad more time-consuming, as I have to sit here matching colors for every issue instead of the quick check for rouletting vs perforation.
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Post by stainlessb on Dec 11, 2021 22:22:04 GMT
seems a good place to post cinderella? GB (who do not indicate country... or iS the queen???
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Post by daniel on Dec 11, 2021 22:50:59 GMT
seems a good place to post cinderella? GB (who do not indicate country... or iS the queen??? A fair question, not much information given on the stamp. It is a postage stamp and yes, that is Her Majesty so need for the usual silhouette. GB from 2002, SG2254 Golden Jubilee.
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Post by khj on Dec 12, 2021 0:10:02 GMT
Yes, I believe none of the 5 stamps in that set have the silhouette.
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Post by stanley64 on Dec 12, 2021 8:21:44 GMT
Indeed, none of the five stamps issued for Her Majesty's Golden Jubilee featuring portraits by her studio photographers have the usual silhouette. Golden Jubilee Studio portraits of Queen Elizabeth II by Photographers 2002 (6 February 2002) Designed by Kate Stephens Size 35mm (h) x 37mm (v) Printed by De La Rue Security Print Print Process Photogravure Perforations 14.5 x 14 Gum PVA 1st - Queen Elizabeth II, 1968 (Cecil Beaton) 2nd - Queen Elizabeth II, 1952 (Dorothy Wilding) E - Queen Elizabeth II, 1978 (Lord Snowdon) 45p - Queen Elizabeth II, 1984 (Yousef Karsh) 65p - Queen Elizabeth II, 1996 (Tim Graham)
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