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Post by gstamps on Mar 6, 2022 11:46:07 GMT
How many collectors have only certified stamps in their beautiful album pages?
I think very few.
How many collectors in their haste to fill in the blanks in albums are very careful or have the knowledge to recognize fakes?
Of my inherited collection of French colonies I have removed about 30% because they were forgeries.
Since I now collect German stamps I am opening this thread in the hope that I will learn a lot of information about fakes.
I have a few requests for those who will kindly post in this thread.
1.Do not post fake stamps from the Old German States.
2.Mention if the fake/original stamps are expertised/certified.
3.Explain with many details as for beginner collectors.
4.Post at a good enough resolution and mark with arrows the areas on the stamp to which the written explanation refers.
5.Since we are in the Germania thread it would be preferable to mention the Michel catalogue numbers (not necessarily).
What do you think?
Do you have information to offer?
PS As my pictures are taken with my mobile phone (condition 4 is quite hard for me to achieve) it will take a while before I post a fake "Kamerun" overprint.
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Post by gstamps on Mar 6, 2022 13:52:53 GMT
Kamerun stamps 1897-1899, Michel nos. 3, 4 and 6. The overprint is made by typografied printing. The 10 Pf stamp has a certification signature on the back. From the looks of the first picture I suspect you would buy them immediately. I bought them at the beginning of my collecting period and arranged them nicely in the Kamerun section. On examination at sufficient magnification you can see the jagged edges of the letters (probably done on a computer printer) overprint on the top stamp. The letters of the bottom stamp have straight edges and darker in colour than their centre (characteristic of typografied printing, the ink, due to the pressure applied, is directed outwards and therefore the edges appear darker). The 10Pf stamp is a clear fake. The 20 and 50 Pf stamps have the typo overprint but until I find a certified overprint (so I can compare the shape of the letters and the colour of the ink) I remain in the uncertainty zone.    |
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Beryllium Guy
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Mar 6, 2022 14:00:55 GMT
Thanks for your post, gstamps . Identifying fakes and forgeries is an ongoing quest for many who collect classic era stamps (1840-1940). Morten ( classicalstamps ), who runs an excellent website on classic stamp forgeries has said something to the effect that we should assume as a starting point that any classic era stamp has probably been forged at some point in time. I am no expert, but I think he is right. I do not have any high-resolution images of German colonial issues that I can offer. If I did, I would share them. But the information you are looking for does exist; you just need to look for it. For starters, I would suggest that you look at Morten's website: stampforgeries.com/Here you will find examples of genuine and forged stamps presented side by side for comparison, but it is for you to do the comparing. The images are high resolution, but they don't have red arrows pointing to all of the features that one might possibly check. But there are other sites that do present their information that way, if you are determined that is what you want. In addition to Morten, I would also think that PostmasterGS or jkjblue may also be able to help you. I wish you good luck in finding the resource that suits you.
Edit: If you are specifically focused on Kamerun, you will Morten's references here: stampforgeries.com/forged-stamps-of-kamerun/ |
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Post by gstamps on Mar 6, 2022 14:14:43 GMT
@ Beryllium Guy -Thanks for all the addresses.
I'm a beginner collector (5 years) and already found out about these sites.
I was referring to a certified stamp to have in front of my eyes
I have a small Bresser minimicroscope which is very useful in evaluating and comparing the structure of the inks used.
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salentin
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collecting Germany,where I live and about 20 more countries,half of them in Asia east of the Indus
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Post by salentin on Mar 6, 2022 14:28:54 GMT
If you think the 10 Pfg. is a forgery,I would suggest to contact Mr.Steuer to examine it. He will know,wether his signature on your stamp is geniune and what about the stamp itself. You will find his adress on the list of the VÖB. Sounds anyway rather strange to forge such overprints on original stamps,as the prices are rather similar.
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Post by gstamps on Mar 6, 2022 15:04:26 GMT
salentin-Thanks for the info with VOB. It is very likely that the signature is also fake (if the signature place is the same as the BPP-it means it is for the stamp with overprint) The overprint is not typo.Do you have information about stamps with overprint made by other methods? The original stamp is DR 47da (MNH-150E) and the one with overprint (color b) value not mentioned than used (420E) In MNH condition I think it is more. I use Michel 2019.
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Post by gstamps on Jul 21, 2022 17:45:45 GMT
Hi The stamps are Mi # 119 / Scott # 669, Germany 1949. The bottom stamp is fake. I recently found out it is "1980 Peter Winter forgerie" Michel does not mention the existence of fakes I bought the stamp out of curiosity and for the possibility of a plate error (in the image posted by the seller it could be clearly seen that it has no K14 perforation but Line 14) The differences from the top stamp (original) are: 1. in-line perforation 2. yellowish paper 3. Different color 4. The paper has no watermark 5. different printing method.    |
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