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Post by daniel on Apr 16, 2022 2:34:10 GMT
Catalogue of British Local Stamps
I found this catalogue when clearing out a cupboard. It is a very useful booklet on this subject although out of date, 1976. I believe that there were later editions although there doesn't appear to be a recent version. There is a section in the booklet titled 'Report of the Stamp Trade Standing Committee - British Private Local Issues'. The committee was established jointly by the British Philatelic Association and the Philatelic Traders' Society to establish the legitimacy of these issues (my words). I suspect that no such committee exists today but would be happy to be proven wrong.
So, as far as 1976 was concerned, the committee decided that the following local issues were legitimate:
Calf of Man (near the Isle of Man)
Davaar (an island at the mouth the Cambeltown Loch, Scotland)
Herm (an island off Guernsey)
Jethou (a small island off Herm)
Lihou (a farm off St Saviour's, Guernsey which becomes an island when the tide is full)
Lundy (an island in the Bristol Channel)
Pabay (a Scottish island)
Sanda (a Scottish island)
Sark-Alderney-Guernsey (Commodore Shipping Company) and
Stroma (a Scottish island)
At the same time, issues for Soay, another Scottish island, were declared bogus.
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 16, 2022 3:22:47 GMT
So what ,I wonder, are the criteria for “Legitimate “ as opposed to “bogus”?
Pabay, Stroma , Soay, Davaar are uninhabited , and have no postal service ,nor any need of one.
Stroma of which I have some knowledge, home to a few hundred sheep doesn’t even get any visitor traffic other than a local farmer on the mainland at round up.
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 16, 2022 9:55:24 GMT
Trying to find out about Gerald Rosen and found several sellers of daniel’s book . Found 1971 edition with red cover and prices from £2 on eBay to £99 on Amazon. Can’t find a biography of Rosen who’s name somehow niggles at the back of my mind. what am I trying to remember? |
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Post by Londonbus1 on Apr 16, 2022 10:44:55 GMT
My copy has a red cover and I'm guessing it's from 1977 as there are listings to mid-1976. Original cost was £2.25p but it is undated.
This was part of a Cinderella/Commonwealth collection I sold for friends some years ago.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 16, 2022 11:45:02 GMT
Alex ( vikingeck), I also tried to do an internet search on Gerald Rosen, and almost all references were to the catalogue, not the person. I saw one source that referred to him as a dealer in bulk or wholesale stamps. The only other reference I found was on another online stamp board, so I don't know if it is factual or just someone's opinion: Does any of this jog anything in your memory? |
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 16, 2022 12:23:11 GMT
There were several dubious events and issues here in the UK, which took off in the 1970s and 1980s largely fuelled by the “invest in stamps “ boom.
Some dealings whilst legitimate were murky and others were downright scams. Bogus issues were created. I think I regarded Rosen at least as opportunist if not shady.
The bust of the 1980s was inevitable when the stories emerged of James Mackay’s breach of trust at the British Museum, the several scandals of Clive Feigenbaum, the Afinsa Pension scheme in Spain which were all fraudulent. Whether Rosen was fraudulent I’m not sure , but there was something unethical in the air . He was not alone in applying puff to sell pretty fabrications. One recent client of mine was seduced into “ investing” in the Sumner collections…..fancy albums housing series of fancy first day covers which today are totally unsaleable.
One collects what one likes, and if coffee table investment albums like Charles and Diana covers from Sumner, or labels from uninhabited Scottish Islands, or Railway trains from Tuvalu , are what you like, then by all means collect and enjoy. The choice is yours , I grant you freely .
It is the exploitation of the collector under the guise of legitimacy or investment ,that I find objectionable.
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 16, 2022 12:32:47 GMT
I gave up on the investment side of collecting back in the late 70's or early 80's. Having collected a decent collection of whatever, seeing what the CV was, then trying to sell it, I was so dismayed! But it's worth $XXX! So I figured if I am going to make a decent profit, I have to buy expensive, highly prized stamps, like that 1¢ magenta! But on a Private's salary in the Canadian Military, there's just no way that'll happen! So I might as well collect what I want and enjoy it.
Those trains from Tuvalu is what drove me out of collecting back in '84-'85!
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 16, 2022 12:35:04 GMT
I just had to laugh! angore just complained about another thread going off the rails. This one too! It happens all the time, feel free to delete or move if you must!
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 16, 2022 12:37:31 GMT
Another off the rails thing... I remember playing games at school or Cubs. The first person in the line is whispered something, it then whispered to the next, and so on. What does the last person hear? Nothing like the first!
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Post by hdm1950 on Apr 16, 2022 13:13:36 GMT
I just had to laugh! angore just complained about another thread going off the rails. This one too! It happens all the time, feel free to delete or move if you must!
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 16, 2022 13:17:16 GMT
Well the names Rosen Feigenbaum and others are all relevant to British Local issues , most of which erupted during the 1970s boom, all connect to the catalogue so back on the rails I think .
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Apr 16, 2022 13:24:12 GMT
I agree with Hugh ( hdm1950 ) and Alex ( vikingeck ) in this case, I think that this thread is on track.... Ironically, I think it is Peter's ( brightonpete ) last two posts in this thread that are off-topic, as they seem to pertain to a comment that Al ( angore ) made in the thread about the British Guiana stamp, unless I am misunderstading something. |
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Post by daniel on Apr 16, 2022 13:33:45 GMT
I'm glad that I have encouraged some discussion on this matter. However, regarding the 'Report of the Stamp Trade Standing Committee', I am sure that was legitimate and whatever you may feel about Rosen, all credit to him for including it in his catalogue. It is a big leap to associate Rosen with Feigenbaum and the like based on this catalogue.
The inclusion of Pabay, Stroma and Davaar seems to be down to tourism. This is what the report says (and remember the catalogue is almost 50 years old):
Davaar
'Permanent population of six. Regularly visited by the public from the mainland to view famous cave painting of Christ. Mail is conveyed by boatman privately hired by the occupiers, weekly, weather permitting'
Pabay
'The winter population is eight and summer population is up to 30. Apart from the owner's farm, there is one cottage and one bungalow, each available for weekly holiday rentals from March to October.' 'The owner runs a daily boat service which carries mail to Broadford for the visitors in the summer and three time weekly in the winter'
Stroma
'Visited by holidaymakers during the summer. To defray the cost of running a mail boat to the island from Huna, visitors sending letters must affix the Stroma issues. Mail for Stroma is carried free of charge from the Huna Post Office, Wick, Caithness , where it awaits collection from Stroma.'
Daniel
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Post by brightonpete on Apr 16, 2022 14:32:50 GMT
Why were the Summer Isles were left out by the Standing Committee? You'd think that a permanent population would make it a legitimate entity.
The one set I have from there is for Queen Elizabeth II's Silver Jubilee.
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Post by crisger on Apr 16, 2022 15:31:00 GMT
This is intriguing. What do the private issues look like? i am curious. Fun to hear about those scottish islands. I spent time up on Skye and other islands in 1974 and it was a heavenly adventure.
thanks for this intriguing post.
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 16, 2022 16:20:03 GMT
Why were the Summer Isles were left out by the Standing Committee? You'd think that a permanent population would make it a legitimate entity.
The one set I have from there is for Queen Elizabeth II's Silver Jubilee.
Peter Summer Isles issues are ones that I would give some (grudging) legitimacy. In the 1970s they were owned by the owner of the hotel at Achiltibuie on the mainland. There were / are ? holiday rentals, a Fish farm and a Cafe and "stamps" have been issued ostensibly to pay for ferrying the mail to and fro. Not strictly necessary but a tourist gimmick souvenir. At least here there is some tourist traffic. |
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Post by daniel on Apr 16, 2022 16:31:04 GMT
Peter, brightonpete, I would agree with Alex on this one, only without the grudging  |
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Post by daniel on Apr 17, 2022 13:15:58 GMT
This is intriguing. What do the private issues look like? i am curious. Fun to hear about those scottish islands. I spent time up on Skye and other islands in 1974 and it was a heavenly adventure. thanks for this intriguing post. Chris Thanks for your comments Chris. To see some examples of British Locals, click on the subject header of this post, British Private Locals. Then click on Local Posts & Carrier Services near the top of the page. That reveals all of the threads in this category including Lundy, Herm, Islay, Davaar, Eynhallow, Sanda, Caldey, Staffa, Jethou, Calf of Man, Easdale and other British Locals. Daniel |
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Post by crisger on Apr 17, 2022 17:21:00 GMT
Hi daniel thanks a lot will be fun to see i have been to some of those places what a great set of locations...thanks again Chris |
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