DK
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Post by DK on May 6, 2022 23:54:58 GMT
Here is an 'H' or English class date stamp for 'Little River'. These smaller types of stamps cannot accommodate a full strike. This is about as good as it will get on a single stamp. Christchurch Postal District 1st August 1867 - 30th March 1992 rated a 3 by Wooders Dave
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DK
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Post by DK on May 7, 2022 5:29:12 GMT
Circular Date Stamp types (CDS) 'B' class Used by relatively few offices - includes military and abnormal uses. Otherwise used at larger offices and often in conjunction with other types. Standard format is office in arc at top / index or time / date / NZ Period of use from approx. 1894 to 1970's but most usage seen in the 1905-1920 period. Apologies for this b/w image - I couldn't quickly find another in my collection. I will add one when I find one. While sorting thru' hundreds (thousands?) of the surface printed KGVs I came across this pair. A 'B' class cancel for Caversham. Rated a 4 by Wooders. Dave
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Post by skid on May 17, 2022 5:16:35 GMT
I thought some of you might like these Tauranga ones
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DK
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Post by DK on May 17, 2022 7:11:08 GMT
I do like those Mark.
Fantastic.
I must pull out some of mine too and show them.
And just for anybody wondering how to pronounce 'Tauranga' it is like this :
Toe Wronger (using the Maori vowel pronounciation).
Dave
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Post by skid on May 18, 2022 7:32:47 GMT
Some more from the Tauranga area
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DK
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Post by DK on May 18, 2022 7:49:00 GMT
That's a nice sampling of some of the Tauranga area's Post Offices there Mark.
A couple that stand out to me :
1) Greerton - not far from where I live 2) Matakana Island - not much of a population today so a few less back in the 70's. I would love to see a picture of the Matakana Island Post Office where that postmark was applied.
Dave
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Post by skid on Jul 21, 2022 21:18:45 GMT
Here is my collection of obliterators on side faces. What would be the best reference to identify these and their post offices? The first set on the first scan are letters surrounded by an oval and have a variety of vertical bars from 1 to 3. The second set are letters sounded by an oval of horizontal lines. The first set on the second page are a letter over a number surrounded by an oval of horizontal lines, the second set are numbers surrounded by an oval of horizontal lines, the final set are a variety.
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Post by JeffS on Jul 22, 2022 23:05:53 GMT
I picked this up last weekend thinking it might be of interest. Or not.
Carried by New Zealand Post
I think I recall reading that NZ was phasing out hand cancels.
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DK
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Post by DK on Jul 23, 2022 1:10:51 GMT
What would be the best reference to identify these and their post offices? Most of these (maybe all of them) would be in Vol.3 of the RPSNZ Handbooks - or Vol.7 as well. If any are giving you any trouble just sing out and one of us will let you know. Dave
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DK
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Post by DK on Jul 23, 2022 1:17:56 GMT
JeffS Hand cancels ARE getting very rare to get. Any seen are worth keeping. It is hard enough today to get mail with stamps on, least of all receiving them cancelled!! Most of the mail received with stamps on have NOT been cancelled - even by biro pen or marker pen! Dave
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Post by skid on Sept 22, 2022 5:23:02 GMT
I finally got access to my The Postage Stamps of New Zealand Vol III [pages 42-86] and was able to identify the cancelations AK9, AK12, AK13, CH17, BM4, BM5 CH9, CH8, DN15, DN14, GM2, IN13 WG5(Marton), NN4, NP2, NN3, AK17(Onehunga) NP7(Patea), DN33(Port Chalmers), GM6(Reefton), TU3 WG1, WG2 AK8?, CH4, CH6, IN10, DN8?? AK = Auckland pages 43-48 CH = Christchurch pages 65-69 BM = Blenheim pages 63-64 DN = Dunedin pages 75-79 GM = Greymouth pages 72-73 IN = Invercargill pages 81-83 WG = Wanganui pages 55-57 NN = Nelson pages 61-63 NA = Napier pages 52-54 NP = New Plymouth pages 54-55 TU = Timaru pages 69-71
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Post by DK on Sept 25, 2022 9:07:46 GMT
Nice lot of cancels there Mark. I wonder how many versions of the duplex cancellation there are (how many different offices used them?)
We may need to find out that answer as it would be a great sideline to collect all of the available ones out there. I have a few of them but most certainly nowhere near all of them.
A great challenge for the future, one day!!
Dave
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Post by DK on Oct 4, 2023 2:19:23 GMT
I got this interesting 'Chalon' in today: It has a boxed '7' as you can see. '7' is of Castlepoint. Reading vol.3 of the RPSNZ handbooks tells us this : Looking thru' my Chalon books I find that I have these ones of the above lot : Only 5 out of 14 (no 13!) so a few to look out for :-) Dave
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Post by DK on Oct 13, 2023 19:54:52 GMT
Here is a manuscript on an SG136 6d pale blue This is Otaria, Invercargill Postal District - name changed to Otaraia in 1875. A.R Marshall mentions this about the Otaraia manuscript: Opened 15 September 1871 - to Otaraia q.v 1 Oct. 1875 - Manuscript 'Otaria' Funnily enough Wooders doesnt mention Otaria - just Otaraia! He lists it in his Postmarks book as : Otaraia Invercargill Postal District Opened 1/10/1875 Closed 6/8/1926 He gives no value rating for it - ? Dave
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2023 5:37:58 GMT
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Post by rod222 on Nov 7, 2023 12:14:09 GMT
A Class Pmks. Page 1 of 3
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Post by nzgrant on Dec 16, 2023 4:33:53 GMT
These posts are great. I started building a collection of early postmarks this year so have lots to learn. I picked up this Chalon recently with an interesting obliterator that I can't identify. I'm using the reference in Volume 3 of "Postage Stamps of New Zealand" and can't see anything like it there. The only obliterator with a "T" is Temuka but it is nothing like this one. Note that the top of the "T" is not parallel to the obliterator lines on each side. Any suggestions?
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 4:43:40 GMT
These posts are great. I started building a collection of early postmarks this year so have lots to learn. I picked up this Chalon recently with an interesting obliterator that I can't identify. I'm using the reference in Volume 3 of "Postage Stamps of New Zealand" and can't see anything like it there. The only obliterator with a "T" is Temuka but it is nothing like this one. Note that the top of the "T" is not parallel to the obliterator lines on each side. Any suggestions? TIMARU ?
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Post by nzgrant on Dec 16, 2023 4:56:41 GMT
The images of the Timaru district are shown below. As you can see No 5 (Temuka) is quite different to the one I've got. Timaru used "TU".
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 5:12:01 GMT
Just a thought, could it possibly be a numeral "1" at all?
I looked up the Telegraphic Codes Nothing of note there
Tamaki = TMK Te Atatu = TAT Three Kings = TIS
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 5:42:35 GMT
My Guess.
12 bar Oval Grid Numeral Postmark number "1" of AUCKLAND
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Post by DK on Dec 16, 2023 6:38:27 GMT
These posts are great. I started building a collection of early postmarks this year so have lots to learn. I picked up this Chalon recently with an interesting obliterator that I can't identify. I'm using the reference in Volume 3 of "Postage Stamps of New Zealand" and can't see anything like it there. The only obliterator with a "T" is Temuka but it is nothing like this one. Note that the top of the "T" is not parallel to the obliterator lines on each side. Any suggestions? Rod is correct Grant. It is the PB 11 bar obliterator '1' of Auckland. Your picture is upside down. Here is another example of it : and here are a couple of obliterator types used at Temuka : Dave
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Post by nzgrant on Dec 16, 2023 7:57:11 GMT
Thanks. So, not a "T" after all. Note that the line at the bottom of the "1" is wavy whereas your example is not. Perhaps it was the result of wear.
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Post by rod222 on Dec 16, 2023 8:00:52 GMT
Rod is correct Grant. It is the PB 11 bar obliterator '1' of Auckland. Your picture is upside down. Here is another example of it : Dave Thanks Dave, so 11 Bar Grid, not 12 I was also thinking, it would be highly irregular, for such an early stamp, to have been placed on the cover upside down, or, the clerk to have struck the stamp/ cover upside down. (Early clerks being more trained to keep to strict guidelines) Siegel Auctions
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Post by nzgrant on Dec 20, 2023 21:02:10 GMT
The Post Office clerks were not all diligent in their placement of postmarks. I noticed this one on the TradeMe auction site today.
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Post by DK on Dec 21, 2023 19:49:46 GMT
That is a nice SG12 there Grant.
You are right of course. Perhaps the postmasters stamping the mail may have had good intentions to stamp the mail with the obliterator the 'right' way up initially - I believe the postmaster at Russell was quite good at his placement of the cancel - it soon became a 'free for all' where the mail volumes increased, the need to just get the job done quickly was more important than aesthetics. So we do find the cancels any old way up, as you say.
Dave
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Post by DK on Jan 10, 2024 22:51:49 GMT
Got a nice manuscript on a SSF 3d recently. In a small lot of mainly 1898's. Waihou 24 - 5 - 86 Waihou - Thames Postal District Opened - 1/4/1880 Closed - 5/2/1988 Rated a '?' by Wooders (for the manuscript) Nice find. Dave
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Post by nzgrant on Feb 3, 2024 20:24:57 GMT
The flag postmark was common for a period around 1900. I've only got a couple that include a CDS as shown. I haven't seen anything about this postmark. Was it only used in Wellington for official purposes or was it in more general use? It could be a duplex postmark as the orientation of the CDS and distance from the flag is the same in both examples.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 3, 2024 21:06:55 GMT
The flag postmark was common for a period around 1900. I've only got a couple that include a CDS as shown. I haven't seen anything about this postmark. Was it only used in Wellington for official purposes or was it in more general use? It could be a duplex postmark as the orientation of the CDS and distance from the flag is the same in both examples. "The Wellington Flag" link
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DK
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Post by DK on Feb 4, 2024 1:09:39 GMT
The flag postmark was common for a period around 1900. I've only got a couple that include a CDS as shown. I haven't seen anything about this postmark. Was it only used in Wellington for official purposes or was it in more general use? It could be a duplex postmark as the orientation of the CDS and distance from the flag is the same in both examples. Here are the pages pertaining to this subject from RPSNZ vol.3 pp150-165 (1st 4 pages shown only ...) : I hope this helps. Dave
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