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Post by philatel2 on Oct 13, 2024 0:05:40 GMT
This has been a fascinating forum to follow. Thanks for all the info Dave. I wonder if you, or any one else, is able to clarify the time number found at the end of the date line in the "J" class cancels. I understand they indicated the time period the mail was cleared. Were these numbers based on specific time periods during the day or did each post office have their own "time period"? Neil
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Post by DK on Oct 13, 2024 0:26:32 GMT
Hi Neil ( philatel2 ) Thanks for your interest in this area. Here is a bit of what Wooders has to say about the 'J' class cancellation : From this he states only that the Time Indica replaced the actual time part of the older 'C' class cancel. And that it was to show " the time period the mail was cleared". Could they be 1 value per 2 hours ie 1 = 6am to 7 = 6pm ? I am not certain exactly how it worked but would have been uniform throughout the Post Office network I would have thought. Perhaps Clayton, Klem or Philip would know more precisely. Let's see what feedback we get on this. Dave
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Post by philatel2 on Oct 13, 2024 3:49:44 GMT
Thanks Dave,
I have Wooders information but he wasn't clear on this issue.
I look forward to more comments from the others.
Neil
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Post by DK on Oct 15, 2024 7:42:01 GMT
I have been looking around the place a little bit over the past couple of days but nothing definitive has turned up yet as to how exactly the time indica worked on these cancels. I have looked thru' my copies of the RPSNZ volumes that deal a fair bit with the cancels used in NZ, that being volumes 2, 3 & 7, but nothing conclusive yet. Most of the 'J' class cancels I have seen pictures of online seem to show fairly low numbers like '1' or '2'. Other numbers have been seen but the higher you go the less you seem to see them. I wonder if many postmasters actually bothered to change this number during the course of the day even! Here are a few I have seen, although not much seen past about '6' ! I will continue to look around for more info and will certainly pass it on if found. Dave
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Post by rod222 on Oct 15, 2024 10:19:16 GMT
DKHere are a few I have seen, although not much seen past about '6' !
I checked all my stock I have 1 through 6, but no higher.
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Post by philatel2 on Oct 16, 2024 19:18:18 GMT
Thanks for the info Dave. I have gone through my material (very limited). Highest number I can find is also 6.
I am looking for postmarks from Greytown (I have a 1935 forged one which doesn't match any of Wooders' classes). The postmarks from before and after 1935 all have the number which is what got me going. Neil
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Post by rod222 on Oct 16, 2024 23:55:54 GMT
For the record, my only 6 was MANAIA (Man-eye-uh) Trust it is a J Class
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Post by redkiwi on Nov 5, 2024 18:07:00 GMT
This nice little cover from 1902, purchased on eBay for $8, arrived today. The originating PO is Koeke in the Whanganui postal district, open from 1 Jan 1900 until 16 May 1918. This 'H Class' cancel is rated 8 by Wooders; likely very scarce on a cover.
It also has an 'H Class' transit cancel from Huntersville, rated 4.
P.S. Wooders has a couple of examples of this cancel for sale on his website, including one registered cover.
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Post by tundrawolf on Nov 15, 2024 6:40:49 GMT
Here is a scarce cancel used in Wellington in 1898. Does anyone have an example that shows the date? Philip
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Post by rod222 on Nov 15, 2024 10:02:14 GMT
New Zealand Postmarks : HAKAHAKA New Zealand Stamp Monthly October 1968 Author: A F Watters.
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Post by DK on Nov 15, 2024 22:47:38 GMT
Nice article on HAKAHAKA Rod. I hadn't heard of this village previously, never too late to learn new things. It brings history to life and makes you think. Well done Dave
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Post by DK on Nov 15, 2024 22:49:29 GMT
BTW, The 'Bombay' in that subscribers place of residence is South of Auckland, near Pukekohe.
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Post by DK on Nov 15, 2024 22:53:27 GMT
Does anyone have an example that shows the date? Hi Philip On a quick look this morning I only found this item below, not very helpful to you I know, but I will keep looking. And to put some context around Philip's duplex example he shows above, this from the RPSNZ vol.3 pp58 - 59 : Dave
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Post by rod222 on Nov 15, 2024 23:29:50 GMT
Does anyone have an example that shows the date? Hi Philip On a quick look this morning I only found this item below, not very helpful to you I know, but I will keep looking. to put some context around Philip's duplex example he shows above, this from the RPSNZ vol.3 pp58 - 59 : Dave Nice work Dave, DK I looked at possibly 2000 + wellington postmarks, from auction catalogues etc, without success "duplex postmarks" are a NZ scarcity it seems, apart from the "070" Wellington duplex, which are numerous.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 15, 2024 23:38:22 GMT
BTW, The 'Bombay' in that subscribers place of residence is South of Auckland, near Pukekohe. Dave ..... and there was me, thinking it odd, a question from India Sheesh Thank you.
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Post by DK on Nov 16, 2024 0:47:43 GMT
Also, In the RPSNZ vol.3 reference work is this picture of the use of the 'hammer cancel' - in this case it looks like it was still in use in the 1950s-60s period - according to the stamps on the mail they are cancelling. Dave
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Post by rod222 on Nov 18, 2024 13:42:33 GMT
FORCES POST OFFICES & POSTMARKS IN EGYPT 1939-1947 NEW ZEALAND (Jagger) APO = Army Post Office BPO = Base Post Office MPO = Military Post Office FPO = Field Post office
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Post by Hugh on Nov 18, 2024 14:00:23 GMT
FORCES POST OFFICES & POSTMARKS APO = Army Post Office BPO = Base Post Office MPO = Military Post Office FPO = Field Post office Hi ... I assume a BPO is a permanant facility at an established base and an FPO is a mobile location in the field during a deployment? APO would be an 'army' post office? and an MPO a post office for other military units ... Air Force? Navy? etc. Or, in NZ do they mean something else?
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Post by rod222 on Nov 19, 2024 1:40:00 GMT
Hi Hugh Hi ... I assume a BPO is a permanant facility at an established base and an FPO is a mobile location in the field during a deployment? APO would be an 'army' post office? and an MPO a post office for other military units ... Air Force? Navy? etc.
Or, in NZ do they mean something else? Agree with your assumption, apart from the MPO, which I think is still Military. (Army) I see no clarification of acronyms in Stephenson Stobbs As a Worldwide collector, my interest ends with FPO etc, and location The rest is too deep for me. It amazes me collectors whom have deep research in one subject is admirable even then, they still have unanswered questions. Here are some pages that deal with the discrete canceller formats, that indicate the complex arrangements
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