tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on May 27, 2022 22:04:23 GMT
as I was working my way trough my Postage due Belgium stamps I had to stop and really sharpen when I came to the last issue, Heraldic Lion Large Numeral (1966-87)! Different paper, printing, gum, and not to good described in my catalogs. Here we see an old 1966 stamp on the right. The background print is 'dotted' and the newer one has lines. 
But there is more. There are different printing of the 'dotted' background. The left stamp has much sharper printing.  Then there is the gum. Blue? Green? and grey?  I'm working on a table that will help to find the right number on the stamp, but I have asked for some help for some proofreading. When and if it is ready I will share it to those who want it. |
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Post by paul1 on May 28, 2022 7:46:36 GMT
what I know about this subject wouldn't cover the back of a v. small stamp, but egotism I have in spades, so ..................... seriously, I know less than nothing about modern Belgian postage dues, but just thought I'd make the suggestion that whilst the appearance of the ground on both old and new examples appears to show a difference in their design, IMHO I think dies for both had the same design of lines broken into minute dots. Appreciate one looks to have dots and the other lines, but I think that's due solely to a poor die and/or bad inkmanship. Nice stamps by the way - Belgium I started out being keen on - all those railway labels etc., but for some reason I fell by the wayside and now struggle with them - I suppose it's the pull of the Commonwealth as usual.
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stainlessb
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What I collect: currently focused on most of western Europe, much of which is spent on France, Belgium, Germany and Great Britain Queen Victoria
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Post by stainlessb on May 28, 2022 15:38:02 GMT
tobben63 Do you have COB (or access to?) there is mention of paper, gums, varieties, etc. I can scan and send if you do not have COB also, based on a quick read, there were different dies (earlier issues have a larger numeral (value) I have 2019 COB, pages 576 - 577
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tobben63
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Post by tobben63 on May 28, 2022 15:49:38 GMT
Thanks Stan I think I have it somewhere (digital), I have to look trough some hard-drives. I'm aware of that size differences of the numbers. I will be back to you If I need a scan  |
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cjoprey
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What I collect: Belgium (predominantly), British Commonwealth (older ones), WW (whatever comes my way...)
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Post by cjoprey on Jun 2, 2022 22:48:30 GMT
The lines and dots are definitely from different dies and different printings. The colours on the back are from some of the MANY different glues used in Belgian postal history. I'm still pulling together what I know about those, and want to scan paper and gum variants so people have a go-to guide, but work keeps getting in the way. I've got COB 2022 and the SG Belgium catalog and happy to scan details if you need more reference material Torbjørn. |
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 17, 2022 23:57:32 GMT
The lines and dots are definitely from different dies and different printings. The colours on the back are from some of the MANY different glues used in Belgian postal history. I'm still pulling together what I know about those, and want to scan paper and gum variants so people have a go-to guide, but work keeps getting in the way. I've got COB 2022 and the SG Belgium catalog and happy to scan details if you need more reference material Torbjørn. I made a reference pane for myself, if you have the COB catalogue, it mentions on the paper and gum page, what stamps to use for your reference guide... This is mine:  All stamps in here have the original gum. When I need to compare gum or paper from other stamps, I take this board and compare them under UV of look at the gum... for example: difference between P5a (epacar - blinking white gum) and p7 (blue dry gum) and p7a (grey dry gum)...:  |
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bjornbelgium
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Post by bjornbelgium on Dec 18, 2022 0:17:28 GMT
as I was working my way trough my Postage due Belgium stamps I had to stop and really sharpen when I came to the last issue, Heraldic Lion Large Numeral (1966-87)! Different paper, printing, gum, and not to good described in my catalogs. Here we see an old 1966 stamp on the right. The background print is 'dotted' and the newer one has lines.
But there is more. There are different printing of the 'dotted' background. The left stamp has much sharper printing. Then there is the gum. Blue? Green? and grey? I'm working on a table that will help to find the right number on the stamp, but I have asked for some help for some proofreading. When and if it is ready I will share it to those who want it. This is what the catalog (cob - obp) lists: 1966: 1F - 2F - 3F - 5F - 6F - 7F - 20F (big numerals - dotted bg - exist in dull paper (P1) and white paper! (P2)) = big UV difference! 1980-81: 1F - 2F - 3F - 5F - 6F - 7F (Big numerals - dotted bg - polyvalent paper (P5 - greenisch gum)) 1982-84: 1F - 2F - 3F - 5F - 6F - 7F - 20F (Big numerals - dotted bg - typopaper (P7 - dry blue gum)) (gum bleeds into paper so even used, it is still blue!) 1985-88: new type with smaller numerals and lined bg: 1 - 2 - 3 - 4 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 (paper: P7a - grey gum (dry)) 2 - 3 - 4 - 7 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 (paper: P6 - polyvalent paper - greenisch gum) 3 - 4 - 8 - 9 - 10 - 20 (paper: P5a (epacar) - white gum (shiny) ) => gum is really white! very distinguishable from other gums! |
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