I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades

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I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 23, 2013 15:25:25 GMT

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Post by I.L.S. on Sept 23, 2013 15:25:25 GMT

OK, so lately I have been really focusing and following a few posts, blogs, and websites that are currently dealing with the many shades of ink that was used to print the A25 design of the Classic United States 3¢ stamp known better as Scott #64 and #65. Here are a few scans of Scott #65 single's from my collection. (I'll get to the covers a little later.)

I will add more to this as I learn and of course any comments and links will be well received!

Here is 2 links to some really awesome informational/reference links that are understandable and not too involved that you can't follow. I'm really just getting my feet wet still so I'm really interested in everything Washington from this time period.

I highly recommend these sites!

www.uspcs.org/the-1861-1868-issue/1861-3c-issue/

www.3cent1861.com/Home_Page.html

Quoted from the USPCS website:

The three cent 1861 is a popular stamp for specialists because there are an infinite number of varieties and uses to collect The stamp varieties include shades, paper, perforation, plate and printing. Over 50 different color shades of the three cent 1861 have been identified; it seems that, every time a new batch of ink was mixed, a new shade appeared. The most sought after shades are the pinks, rose pinks and the elusive pigeon blood pink, but many other shades are interesting and collectible.

Last Edit: Sept 23, 2013 15:49:14 GMT by I.L.S.

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I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 23, 2013 22:55:20 GMT

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Post by Ryan on Sept 23, 2013 22:55:20 GMT

Have you ever looked at any of your shades under UV light? Colour shades are a daunting side to collecting for me, and shades which show clear variance under UV light (like some of the Australia KGV sideface reds) would be something I would feel a lot more comfortable about. I've never seen any mention of UV shade variance with old American stamps, however.

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I.L.S. Departed Rest in Peace I am in Clearfield, Pa. I love US Classic covers! Posts: 2,113	I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 24, 2013 8:26:16 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by I.L.S. on Sept 24, 2013 8:26:16 GMT Ryan, I have not. I need a proper short wave and long wave lamp yet.
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I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 25, 2013 9:59:29 GMT

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Post by I.L.S. on Sept 25, 2013 9:59:29 GMT

This is paraphrased from the 3cent1861 website but I like the way it's worded. It explains without too much detail why there are so many variances in the shades of the #65.

The stamp progresses through several stages, and most of the colors we see represent distinct production runs. Each of these can vary in color content but also in variety of "effects" and physical characteristics that can alter the overall impression. For example the size of the color particles can vary as can their distribution. The color of the printing medium can vary from nearly clear to yellow or tan. The red pigment, which is organic, itself may vary from batch to batch ranging from slightly violet to slightly orange. The paper can vary affecting how the pigment and printing medium is distributed. Different drying and/or emulsify agents appear to have been used affecting saturation and distribution of color. All these factors combine to create seemingly infinite range of colors. But because they are associated with distinct production histories, they are of philatelic significance.

I mainly collect the US Classic singles & covers also, classic era B.O.B. items.

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I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 25, 2013 12:07:10 GMT

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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 25, 2013 12:07:10 GMT

As a colorblind collector, no amount of links, color charts, or UV lights can help; I'm at the mercy of the experts and their respective abilities to differentiate the shades.

This stamp on cover, purchased from one of the experts (Mike McClung), was sold as a 3c rose pink (Scott 64b):

But even the experts don't always agree, as this Philatelic Foundation certificate shows (submitted as a pigeon blood pink (Scott 64a) but identified as a pink (Scott 64)):

At some point, I should probably send the Philadelphia cover off for expertization.

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jkjblue Member Posts: 1,199	I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 25, 2013 14:53:12 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jkjblue on Sept 25, 2013 14:53:12 GMT For what it's worth, the 64b (rose pink) looks more pink to me than the (64a/64)stamp. ;-) ( Look at the color between US POSTAGE and the top of the head, for instance.)
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I.L.S. Departed Rest in Peace I am in Clearfield, Pa. I love US Classic covers! Posts: 2,113	I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 26, 2013 12:49:23 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by I.L.S. on Sept 26, 2013 12:49:23 GMT They're beautiful Steve!
	I mainly collect the US Classic singles & covers also, classic era B.O.B. items.

I.L.S. Departed Rest in Peace I am in Clearfield, Pa. I love US Classic covers! Posts: 2,113	I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Sept 26, 2013 12:50:53 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by I.L.S. on Sept 26, 2013 12:50:53 GMT The one in my avatar is a #65 Pastel Rose (RF 3) Acquired from J. Daley's Auctions.
	I mainly collect the US Classic singles & covers also, classic era B.O.B. items.

I.L.S. Departed Rest in Peace I am in Clearfield, Pa. I love US Classic covers! Posts: 2,113	I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Nov 26, 2014 11:54:01 GMT via mobile Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by I.L.S. on Nov 26, 2014 11:54:01 GMT The "pigeon blood" has a bluish undertone as I understand it?
	I mainly collect the US Classic singles & covers also, classic era B.O.B. items.

jimbooregon Member Inactive Posts: 51	I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades Jul 22, 2015 16:51:09 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Back to Top Post by jimbooregon on Jul 22, 2015 16:51:09 GMT thanks for the links

I'm starting to learn about the Scott #64 & #65 shades

Post by I.L.S. on Sept 23, 2013 15:25:25 GMT

Post by Ryan on Sept 23, 2013 22:55:20 GMT

Post by I.L.S. on Sept 24, 2013 8:26:16 GMT

Post by I.L.S. on Sept 25, 2013 9:59:29 GMT

Post by tomiseksj on Sept 25, 2013 12:07:10 GMT

Post by jkjblue on Sept 25, 2013 14:53:12 GMT

Post by I.L.S. on Sept 26, 2013 12:49:23 GMT

Post by I.L.S. on Sept 26, 2013 12:50:53 GMT

Post by I.L.S. on Nov 26, 2014 11:54:01 GMT

Post by jimbooregon on Jul 22, 2015 16:51:09 GMT