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Post by zipper on Jul 17, 2022 22:42:25 GMT
Posted months after Vicky died.  
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Post by zipper on Aug 27, 2022 9:47:37 GMT
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Post by blaamand on Aug 27, 2022 11:54:51 GMT
That's a cool find!! Particularly nice when the arrival postmark confirms there was no mistake in the date-slugs of the postmark applied in London. Congratulations. What was the issue date?
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Post by zipper on Aug 28, 2022 3:46:18 GMT
April 20, 1864 as far as I can tell. Someone else may know better. I'm no expert -- I merely buy them and use the seller's photos.
Still can't get to my scanner but I haven't forgotten I owe you pages. Hope to be stronger this fall when the humidity leaves.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 28, 2022 11:03:28 GMT
The SIX-PENCE with small corner letters comes from two plates distinguished by fine diagonal white hairlines plate 4 or no hairlines plate 3
Plate 3 was issued 1 Dec 1862 A year earlier than this cover
Plate 4 was indeed. 20 April 1864
Problem is I do not see the hairlines on your image so question that this is in fact early usage plate 4 .
Most probably 1 year old plate 3
Of course if the hairlines are there, then congratulations on EKD .
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 28, 2022 11:57:22 GMT
Embossed 6d Lilac on a cover to the Crimea 1855.  Col Ainslie commanded the 93rd ( Argyll) Highlanders which distinguished itself as the "Thin Red Line " whose steady volley fire repulsed a Russian Heavy Cavalry charge on the heights of Balaklava Col. Ainslie was made CB (Companion of the Order of the Bath) for his leadership role in maintaining disciplined defence of the line
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Post by blaamand on Aug 28, 2022 16:26:00 GMT
Still can't get to my scanner but I haven't forgotten I owe you pages. Hope to be stronger this fall when the humidity leaves. Thanks - and no worries, the pages can wait - the only important is that you get better! Be well
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Post by zipper on Aug 31, 2022 14:57:47 GMT
I can't figure out the number, and I can't determine if there's a hyphen between six and pence. Am hoping someone else can see it. Can't read the writing on the address, either, but I can see the wing margin on Vicky's left. 
Just had an epiphany. It was listed as 1908, but blown up, it could actually be 1868, which would make it an 51a. Which means it should me moved from here! {url=https://imgbb.com/]  [/url]
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Post by stainlessb on Aug 31, 2022 15:47:41 GMT
I think I can just make out the lower half of the hyphen
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Post by hdm1950 on Aug 31, 2022 16:52:03 GMT
I think I can just make out the lower half of the hyphen I am in agreement and I think the 1868 is more realistic
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Post by REL1948 on Aug 31, 2022 17:00:35 GMT
My money would be on 1868. It would be difficult to construe the remnant of the six as a zero in any case. I would agree with 51a. Rob
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 31, 2022 17:09:01 GMT
Posted months after Vicky died.  This is hardly a late usage! The Queen had died so she was “late” but there was no alternative stamp to use. EdwardVII stamps were not available till 1902 . So 1901 is normal.
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Post by zipper on Aug 31, 2022 17:43:39 GMT
Yes, I thought I saw what could be the bottom of a hyphen, but I couldn't be sure. Even used my Mac's magnifying glass in addition to two of my own (one lighted) but was still unsure. Thanks, guys, I appreciate the help. Will rename this thread because Vickingeek stated that the first post doesn't count as late usage.
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Post by zipper on Aug 31, 2022 18:24:34 GMT
Title changed.
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Post by vikingeck on Aug 31, 2022 19:12:44 GMT
Here's another of these rather long lived Penny Lilacs, slightly later than the above but still all that was available.. Used at concession rate for soldier with British Army Post Office in South African War 30 Oct 1901 KROONSTAD in the occupied Orange Free State 
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Post by zipper on Oct 13, 2022 20:31:49 GMT
GB Postal Stationery 1899 QV 1d carmine UPU Postcard size f unused H&B CP35 
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Post by zipper on Mar 27, 2023 21:54:28 GMT
1844 GB MINEHEAD CANCEL, IMPERF TO LONDON  <br />  <br />
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Post by daniel on Mar 27, 2023 23:53:11 GMT
1844 GB MINEHEAD CANCEL, IMPERF TO LONDON  <br /><b /> zipper , another great find. Lady Noel Byron, born Anne Milbanke, was the wife of the poet Lord Byron. They were married in January 1815, legally separating in March 1816 following Lord Byron's 'dark moods' after he fell into debt. In 1822 Lord Byron inherited part of the estate of Anne's mother on the condition that he added Noel to his surname which he did by Royal Warrant and so became Lord Noel Byron. He died in 1824 in Greece. Their daughter Ada became the mathematician Ada Lovelace. Lady Noel Byron established Ealing Grove School in 1833 and went on to become an anti-slavery campaigner. The address, 10 St James's Square, is an upmarket property in London. It is notable too, as the former home of no less than three British Prime Ministers, William Gladstone (1809–1898), William Pitt (1708–1778) & The Earl of Derby (1799–1869). It now houses The Royal Institute of International Affairs.
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Post by vikingeck on Mar 28, 2023 8:07:46 GMT
1844 GB MINEHEAD CANCEL, IMPERF TO LONDON  br /> Am I being nit picky here? but it looks like a stamp has been removed from this cover , top right there is a hint of another space and part cancel . If indeed there was another stamp it must have been a heavy letter , over an ounce to require more than Two Pence . Wonder what the enclosure might have been ?
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Post by zipper on Mar 31, 2023 22:56:31 GMT
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Post by zipper on Apr 21, 2023 16:19:30 GMT
GB LONDON Inland Office „11“ Numeral Postmark (Parmenter 11D) on QV 1 d Env Lady John Scott
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Post by paul1 on Apr 21, 2023 17:39:44 GMT
Your posts on QV covers are v. interesting zipper - sorry to seem dim but unsure of your comments about this latest entry addressed to Lady John Scott - these things not my area, so no idea as to what date this one is. According to my books, London City marks - spoons with No. in a diamond - were originally numbered 1 to 20 starting in 1844 when the 'Maltese Cross' ceased, so am assuming your No. 11 was some short time after that, possibly. Grateful if you will explain the 'Parmenter 11D reference. Many thanks, and sorry for not knowing.:-)
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Post by zipper on Apr 21, 2023 18:41:23 GMT
paul1 I copy and paste the title from the listing. See Daniel's answer below for an explanation.
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Post by daniel on Apr 21, 2023 19:52:18 GMT
paul1, the horizontal oval with a number in a diamond relates to the Inland Office which was housed in The General Post Office headquarters in St Martins Le Grand, London. There was only one such office. The number in the diamond relates only to the handstamp number which was used from 1844. Parminter was the author of book on the subject and, presumably, 11D was his numbering. John Scott was a younger son of the Duke of Buccleuch and so was entitled to only a courtesy title, that is, he simply added Lord to his first and last names. This meant his wife became Lady John Scott but she was born Alicia Ann Spottiswoode and was a songwriter and composer. Daniel
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Post by paul1 on Apr 21, 2023 20:01:16 GMT
have deleted my post just sent - Daniel, thanks, I should look before leaping - I posted without having read your reply. Quote .......... "Parminter was the author of book on the subject and, presumably, 11D was his numbering." I do have some smattering of knowledge, plus G. Brumell's book 'British Post Office Numbers' and Seymour's part 1 of the line engraved issues - but the word Parmenter was confusing me. According to my books, No. 11 was used initially for Enfield in the 1844 allocations, then it looks to have shifted to Chelsea in the 1887 list - agree, the No. relates to the hand stamp only. Can't seem to reconcile a reference for the 11D - it obviously means something, but can't see a connection in my 'oldish' books. thanks again for the help, much appreciated.
I see now why some people repeat the previous post at the head of their reply - not doing so means the the previous words can't be seen without scrolling to the bottom of the page. I always used to think it was irrelevant to repeat the previous message, but now I understand.
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Post by paul1 on Apr 21, 2023 20:39:13 GMT
daniel - thanks for information regarding family history of John Scott and Alicia Ann Spottiswoode - but, how do I pronounce the word 'Buccleuch' ;-);-)
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Post by daniel on Apr 22, 2023 18:38:22 GMT
Hi paul1 . So, the 11D reference relates to the 4th handstamp introduced for the number 11. They can be differentiated by the shape of the oval, the number font and the number of bars surrounding the diamond shape, see this 82 page pdf link if you want more details, page 20. Quoting a previous post in its entirety can be cumbersome, especially if there are pictures and is often unnecessary. tagging someone in is often better or quote selectively by deleting picture or comments to which you are not replying. I have Brummell too, it is very useful. On page 7, Introductory Notes, beginning with the final paragraph on that page, there is information as to when the Post Office numbers apply and when they don't. Likewise, the London Inland Office section on page 138 explains that the numbers are (hand)stamp numbers only. Similarly, with the London District (Second Series) section beginning on page 155, the numbers are just handstamp numbers. I hope this helps, Daniel PS Buccleuch is apparently pronounced be-Kloo, well, it was never going to be obvious  (I missed off an o at the end which I have now added)
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Post by vikingeck on Apr 22, 2023 20:09:27 GMT
As a fellow Scot up here Buccleuch is pronounced more like. Buh … clue
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Post by paul1 on Apr 22, 2023 20:11:07 GMT
big thanks again Daniel - you're obviously a genius at these early issues - thanks for the link and I must read more. As for the pronunciation of Buccleuch - it defies words. Bit like the correct pronunciation of Greenhalgh which is another 'not how it looks' word.
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Post by zipper on Apr 22, 2023 23:38:34 GMT
It seems that there is a Parmenter. This is a screenshot of one of his books. Will search for the others volumes. 
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