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Post by deniseb on Nov 6, 2022 1:00:53 GMT
I recently seen a video where he mentioned counterfeit stamps he talked about them a little bit but didn't explain much about them.
How do you recognize a counterfeit stamp? Are they worth keeping if you do have one?
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Post by dgdecker on Nov 6, 2022 2:30:59 GMT
I would say that collecting forgeries is a personal Choice. While I do not seek them out, I do keep them. I make sure they remain identified as a forgery. i have limited knowledge and experience on the matter. One site is use is. www.stampforgeries.com . For me it has been a great reference site. I am sure there must be many results if you use a search engine. Members if the Forum might be able to assist or direct you to correct places or sources. I so see forgeries for sale. I find they are worth what ever you are willing to pay. Reputable sellers will identify the stamp as “forgery” or “fake”. Always buyer beware in my view. I collect Nova Scotia stamps and weekly see forgeries for sale and are not identified as such. I take the time to inform the seller. Most are grateful but others never respond nor change the listing. David
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Post by deniseb on Nov 6, 2022 9:32:07 GMT
I don't want to collect them exactly. I'm just wondering how to identify them so I don't get taken advantage of in the future. I have been purchasing a few stamps lately and it made me wonder whether the ones I purchased are real or not
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Post by angore on Nov 6, 2022 12:38:17 GMT
The challenge is that every stamp is a different situation. Study and experience is key and often having fake ones to personally examine.
I gave up on collecting US Washington-Franklins since most fakes were altered stamps (trimmed, etc) and did not want to invest the time and money to become an expert nor spending money to have to expertize them.
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Post by jdtrue66 on Nov 7, 2022 3:02:07 GMT
The term is often confused or used for other types of stamps. I have even seen it used for Cinderellas but also used for things like what is also called abusive stamps like the ones also referred to as Dunes. Or even altered stamps like when the Perfs are cut off a stamp.
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Post by darkormex on Nov 7, 2022 3:29:03 GMT
deniseb , it really depends on what you are buying. In stamp collecting, if you are spending money on a $100+ stamp, as an example, you want to make sure you are not being duped and purchasing a forged/counterfeit stamp. If you are like me and buying stamps that are of low value and are not overly costly and just spending a few $ on, then it is unlikely you are being taken advantage of and getting forged stamps. As a starting collector, forgeries and counterfeits are not really something you should be worried about. Also, if you don't already have one, purchase a stamp catalog or check one out from the library so you can get a sense of what things cost. Catalog values, however, are not reality and many stamps, especially used stamps, sell for less than catalog value.
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 7, 2022 11:48:42 GMT
deniseb If like many of us you start building a worldwide collection by buying old albums with lots of early stamps I can pretty well guarantee you will acquire forgeries and reprints. Most stamp catalogues will mention if these are common for a country. It is amazing how common this was in the 1800's and early 1900's. As mentioned by others, buyer beware for higher catalogue value stamps if forgery history is known. The majority I have in my collection have catalogue values below 1.00 and I am sure there 100's through my albums. I did not go out looking for them, they were just part of old estate collections. Enjoy your collecting and try not to get too overwhelmed by information.
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Post by deniseb on Nov 7, 2022 23:07:09 GMT
deniseb If like many of us you start building a worldwide collection by buying old albums with lots of early stamps I can pretty well guarantee you will acquire forgeries and reprints. Most stamp catalogues will mention if these are common for a country. It is amazing how common this was in the 1800's and early 1900's. As mentioned by others, buyer beware for higher catalogue value stamps if forgery history is known. The majority I have in my collection have catalogue values below 1.00 and I am sure there 100's through my albums. I did not go out looking for them, they were just part of old estate collections. Enjoy your collecting and try not to get too overwhelmed by information. To be honest I'm really not worried about acquiring forgeries or reprints I was just more curious on how do I identify them. Because no matter how you look at it they're also a part of our history in every country and they have their own story to tell. I have a very inquisitive mind I love learning new things so as much information that's being thrown at me right now at this moment I absolutely love it it gets my mind active and I'm learning new things which is but I love and the more I research a reading watching videos and asking questions the more I'm falling in love with collecting stamps I've actually spent more than I should have the last few months, just don't tell my husband lol
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Post by greaden on Nov 8, 2022 1:18:58 GMT
Forgeries are a huge headache. As one can only learn so much about them, the quest to detect them forces one to specialize.
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Post by deniseb on Nov 11, 2022 8:13:58 GMT
So there's really no solid way Of telling if their forgeries are not? I just recently bought an older stamp and I absolutely love it, but looking at some of the other pictures from the threads I came across regarding forgeries, I'm questioning if it is as well. I am sorry if I'm repeating things that have been discussed in other threads. I'm Finding things as I go along looking to more areas And unfortunately it seems I find them after I've already asked a question And I do apologize for that If I'm able to Maybe I can post a scan of it Sometime tomorrow right now it's 3 o'clock in the morning here and don't want to wake up the house
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Post by jdtrue66 on Nov 11, 2022 12:30:24 GMT
There are definitely solid ways just not always easy ways. This is a great place to start we have many members that are real experts in various categories of stamps.
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Post by tomiseksj on Nov 11, 2022 13:26:38 GMT
... How do you recognize a counterfeit stamp? Are they worth keeping if you do have one? For U.S. stamps, postal counterfeits are listed in the Scott Specialized catalog and often have catalog values far exceeding those of the genuine stamps. The listings for U.S. postal counterfeits begin as far back the 1895 2 cent stamp (Scott 250). Scott editors caution that "before purchasing counterfeits, collectors should obtain a certificate of authenticity (that the item is a genuine counterfeit) from a recognized expertizing service."
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Post by greaden on Nov 11, 2022 14:01:33 GMT
For a lot of stamps and countries, there are useful websites such as www.stampforgeries.com . But none are comprehensive. Before I set out to buy key items in my main collecting areas, I made a trip to the APS Library in Pellefonte,PA. I spent a couple of days looking for the books that covered the known forgeries of the stamps I was seeking. I made copies of the relevant pages, and brought them to stamp bourses. Early forgeries were carefully copied from genuine stamps, and those copies often missed a few details, or missed some deliberate line or dot that was actually a secret mark by the original engraver. Later forgeries are unlikely to get the paper right. When I shone a blacklight on a Lubeck stamp, it glowed like modern zerox paper, which is probably what it was.
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Post by greaden on Nov 11, 2022 16:29:52 GMT
A good starting point for detecting forgeries is the book, Varro Tyler, Focus on Forgeries: A Guide to Forgeries of Common Stamps (Linns, 2000). It covers a lot of the ones most likely encountered in a worldwide collection. Serrane Guide and Album Weeds are two early but thorough works. Album Weeds is reproduced here: stampforgeries.com/album-weeds/For the German area, look in philatelic libraries for the multi-volume GPS Reference Manual of Forgeries, compiled by Werner Bohne.
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Post by gstamps on Nov 12, 2022 6:27:04 GMT
denisebYou can download the G.Kock -World Forgery Catalog for free. You can find the list of forged stamps (Scott and Michel catalog numbers) and with reference to the specialized works on forgeries mentioned in previous posts.
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Post by gstamps on Nov 12, 2022 6:45:36 GMT
denisebIt is not a general rule, but in general you can recognize forgings at first sight by different printing method (lithography) or different perforation (in line). Try to learn about printing methods and their recognition elements (this is what I started with and it was very helpful) The different drawing elements are difficult to identify without having examples you can find in specialized works (they are not accessible to me, but there are members who can give you examples on the forum) The work Vade-mecum by Serrane (in French) can be downloaded for free (it has enough features to recognize forgeries)
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Post by deniseb on Nov 13, 2022 21:12:37 GMT
I've been trying to post a stamp but I'm running into an issue One area wants me to log in but I don't have an account for it and don't know where to go to make the account. That's the upload image at the bottom right corner of the chat box the one at the top wants me to make an account which I did the proceedings of doing but when I went to finalize it through my email it denied me it allowed me to download photos onto the website but not here it keeps asking me to download them again and the other way I haven't quite figured out yet. Where do I go to create an account to upload photos from the bottom right tab? ibb.co/SdpR64c
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Post by deniseb on Nov 13, 2022 21:14:53 GMT
ibb.co/WfPYb6H I hope this works The stamp is one that I'm curious about whether it would be a forgery and what the mark on the back left bottom corner is All I know about it is that it's Scott #92
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Post by stainlessb on Nov 13, 2022 21:21:01 GMT
Canadian forgeries I know nothing about, however the mark on the back is either a dealers mark, or possibly a collectors mark. You find them periodically- sometimes just initials, sometimes in a square or circle (almost like a 'brand")- It could also be an 'expert' mark, but these also could be forged
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Post by renden on Nov 13, 2022 21:35:10 GMT
ibb.co/WfPYb6H I hope this works The stamp is one that I'm curious about whether it would be a forgery and what the mark on the back left bottom corner is All I know about it is that it's Scott #92
Denise............a new way to show your scans ??
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Post by deniseb on Nov 13, 2022 21:49:05 GMT
ibb.co/WfPYb6H I hope this works The stamp is one that I'm curious about whether it would be a forgery and what the mark on the back left bottom corner is All I know about it is that it's Scott #92
Denise............a new way to show your scans ?? Lol I'm trying what I can to make it work. I may eventually figure it out the right way, but at the moment it hates me lol
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Post by renden on Nov 13, 2022 23:54:15 GMT
ibb.co/WfPYb6H I hope this works The stamp is one that I'm curious about whether it would be a forgery and what the mark on the back left bottom corner is All I know about it is that it's Scott #92
Denise............a new way to show your scans ?? The TSF FAQ section will help you in posting your Unitrade 113 - I would be surprised it was a "forgery", for its Cat Value (CV) and the fact 103 million+ were issued - Have fun and you will learn the tricks !! René
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