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Post by stampsattic on Nov 19, 2022 19:01:16 GMT
(I am trying this again with the photo hopefully it comes through! Iam new here please bear with me.) I received a Coiled Dragon Stamp this week and placed it next to a similar looking stamp. I can see the characters on the Overprint are different. Any information on why or what this is will be helpful Thank you!
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hdm1950
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 19, 2022 20:33:14 GMT
Looking in my Scott catalogue these are overprints by too different companies and have separate Scott numbers. The one on the left is Sc 163 and on the right is Sc 146. If you have access to the Scott catalogue you will see the images.
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Post by darkormex on Nov 19, 2022 20:55:55 GMT
In both cases, the overprints have the same meaning though the style of the characters is different. The meaning of the characters, read from top to bottom is, The Republic of China. The characters are pronounced "chung hua min kuo", again, reading from top to bottom. The overprint on the left was printed by Waterlow and is in writing style script whereas the overprint on the right was overprinted by the Custom Statistical Department at Shanghai and they used No. 5 Sung type for the overprint. This information is from the China Stamp Society Specialized Catalog of China.
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Post by renden on Nov 19, 2022 21:03:54 GMT
In both cases, the overprints have the same meaning though the style of the characters is different. The meaning of the characters, read from top to bottom is, The Republic of China. The characters are pronounced "chung hua min kuo", again, reading from top to bottom. The overprint on the left was printed by Waterlow and is in writing style script whereas the overprint on the right was overprinted by the Custom Statistical Department at Shanghai and they used No. 5 Sung type for the overprint. This information is from the China Stamp Society Specialized Catalog of China. You impress me - thanks !! René
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Post by darkormex on Nov 19, 2022 21:06:16 GMT
These were overprinted at the point of transition from Imperial China to the Republic of China. From this point forward, you will find the same 4 characters incorporated into the printing of stamps from China up until the communists took over in 1949. This is a good way of identifying stamps of China. The stamps may be printed reading from right to left or left to right as in the example below. 中華民國 You can see these same 4 characters in this common Sun Yat Sen stamp above his head, reading from right to left.
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 19, 2022 21:21:19 GMT
In both cases, the overprints have the same meaning though the style of the characters is different. The meaning of the characters, read from top to bottom is, The Republic of China. The characters are pronounced "chung hua min kuo", again, reading from top to bottom. The overprint on the left was printed by Waterlow and is in writing style script whereas the overprint on the right was overprinted by the Custom Statistical Department at Shanghai and they used No. 5 Sung type for the overprint. This information is from the China Stamp Society Specialized Catalog of China. That is consistent with the Scott catalogue but I was too lazy to type out the full details.
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Post by stampsattic on Nov 20, 2022 8:28:13 GMT
Wow that is amazing information hdm and darkormex!! Thank you! I do have a Scott Catalouge I will look them up. Meanwhile I contacted the person who sent me the recent stamp and asked why the two were different in the overprint. This was his answer,"The first one was overprinted by London while second one was overprinted by Shanghai. The values are more or less the same."
Thank you for taking time to explain things. I will reread all you have written here!
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Post by hdm1950 on Nov 20, 2022 11:59:08 GMT
stampsattic China is a country that can either drive one crazy or give great pleasure looking for and studying the many overprints especially on all the provinces. I do not specialize in China but have 100's if not 1000's in my world wide collection. The hunt is half the fun for me so whenever I acquire an old collection and go through the China pages I get lost in checking all the overprints and invariably I will fill a few holes. Like most countries the bulk of them have little value but it is still fun finding things you don't have. Enjoy!
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Post by stampsattic on Nov 20, 2022 23:51:11 GMT
stampsattic China is a country that can either drive one crazy or give great pleasure looking for and studying the many overprints especially on all the provinces. I do not specialize in China but have 100's if not 1000's in my world wide collection. The hunt is half the fun for me so whenever I acquire an old collection and go through the China pages I get lost in checking all the overprints and invariably I will fill a few holes. Like most countries the bulk of them have little value but it is still fun finding things you don't have. Enjoy! stampsattic China is a country that can either drive one crazy or give great pleasure looking for and studying the many overprints especially on all the provinces. I do not specialize in China but have 100's if not 1000's in my world wide collection. The hunt is half the fun for me so whenever I acquire an old collection and go through the China pages I get lost in checking all the overprints and invariably I will fill a few holes. Like most countries the bulk of them have little value but it is still fun finding things you don't have. Enjoy! Hdm, This is a new area for me and already I wondered if I was venturing into something that was going to be a challenge. I just finished an arduous placement of early Argentina stamps and they have all kinds of overprints,watermark differences etc. I would have gone nuts if someone hadn't already identified the majority.I watched some videos yesterday of someone who has specialized only on Chinese stamps.He has done a great job. Hopefully I will enjoy this!.
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Post by Philatarium on Nov 21, 2022 0:13:17 GMT
I watched some videos yesterday of someone who has specialized only on Chinese stamps. He has done a great job. stampsattic, I would love to watch those. Please feel free to post the link(s) here!
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Post by stampsattic on Nov 21, 2022 0:59:01 GMT
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Post by darkormex on Nov 21, 2022 1:00:50 GMT
stampsattic , I would like to see those videos too. Please post when you get a chance. Also, I am like hdm1950 in that I like buying old collections and sorting through them for items that I don't have. Chinese overprints, while numerous and seemingly complicated, are not overwhelming once you start learning about them. The Scott Catalogue now does a fairly good job of showing the overprints in a way that makes them easier to sort out. For Asian stamps in general, especially China, Japan and Korea, I would encourage you to use the stamp identifier in the back of the Scott catalogue. It does a fairly good job of helping the collector identify the different scripts/text/characters on the stamps of these countries so they can be sorted correctly. I think a lot of collectors get intimidated by the characters/scripts and feel like they can't figure out the differences but to me it is no different than flyspecking those old US stamps for plate and print flaws. I recently bought several Japan collections, mounted on pages from old albums. Scattered in and amongst all the Japanese stamps were Korean, Republic of China and People's Republic of China stamps that were misidentified. Just a little time spent on the stamp identifier pages at the back of the catalogue would have probably helped these collectors sort their Asian stamps correctly.
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Post by stampsattic on Nov 21, 2022 1:06:02 GMT
Thank you Darkormex, that is helpful information. I posted the link above hope you can see it.
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