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Post by rod222 on Oct 23, 2023 21:22:43 GMT
Quote peterHere, I have found the cover whose slogan cancel was used in Occleshaw's Australian slogan cancel catalogue. Amazing ! Peter, Wow! Love stories like that.
I have a early New South Wales stamp, on a junk piece of broadsheet (Thanks to the Gods whom prevented vandals soaking off the paper) One day a member of a stamp forum identified, the piece of paper from a newspaper, I was absolutely gobsmacked.
Curious, does Occleshaw offer more information on your slogans? Here is Whittaker's Page for Albany and he identifies as PB (Pitney Bowes) 54 slogan 90
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Post by rod222 on Oct 23, 2023 21:52:19 GMT
Australian Postmarks and Slogans D.S.Wallen OBE
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Post by peter on Oct 23, 2023 23:57:42 GMT
Curious, does Occleshaw offer more information on your slogans? Here is Whittaker's Page for Albany and he identifies as PB (Pitney Bowes) 54 slogan 90 rod222 , Occleshaw's two-volume work is probably the most comprehensive catalogue on Australian slogan cancels, and contains many images of PMG memorandums that help flesh out the story on some of the cancelations. Highly recommended. However, state-based catalogues and monographs can provide a lot more nuance. The image I uploaded for Albany is the total sum of information provided by Occleshaw on this slogan. Whittaker's allocation of "90" for the slogan follows his own numbering system. Occleshaw numbers for each state in alphabetical order, so for my own purpose I would refer to the Albany slogan shown as 'Occleshaw WA 2', as opposed to 'Occleshaw NSW 2' shown below...
While Whittaker allocates numbers to sub-types, as seen in your example page for the Festival of Perth slogan (i.e. Whittaker 88-2 and 88-3; pictured below), Occleshaw does not, although the different types are illustrated and post office allocations are provided.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 24, 2023 0:08:10 GMT
peterThank you, Peter. Admired the melting thermometer Perth January, yep, temps can soar above 40 degrees Celsius on occasions.
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Post by peter on Oct 24, 2023 0:15:56 GMT
peter Thank you, Peter. Admired the melting thermometer Perth January, yep, temps can soar above 40 degrees Celsius on occasions. Yep... born and bred in Western Australia... I've suffered my fair share of those summers! I don't seem to have a WA example to hand, but the following slogan seems appropriate... Prevent Bush Fires Introduced 1932 resulting from a reconsideration of government policy towards the type of slogans it approved. Postmasters were to use this for 7 days in Jan, Feb, Mar, and in any month where its use was warranted. Discretion was to be exercised on days selected depending on weather.
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Post by JeffS on Oct 25, 2023 3:20:17 GMT
Three Telegram / Telegraph slogans recently added:
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Post by peter on Oct 26, 2023 11:50:16 GMT
Another example of owning the slogan that was used in the catalogue.
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Post by peter on Oct 27, 2023 6:11:42 GMT
peter Interesting cover of yours, Peter, Tattersalls George Adams Cover subsidiary information
rod222 , The quote below on the Tattersalls hoard makes for fascinating reading and illustrates its importance for postmark research. It comes from the following article published in the Winter 1989 edition of The Australian Philatelist: Link: Tattersalls and the Post Office (PDF) Quote:
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Post by peter on Oct 28, 2023 6:42:35 GMT
ROTARY INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT 250 CONFERENCE MILDURA 14TH.-19TH. APRIL In Occleshaw's catalogue of Australian Slogan Cancels, he states that the Mildura's ROTARY INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT 250 CONFERENCE slogan was used January to April 1961, but does not include dates (although he does leaves space for them!), so an enjoyable aspect of collecting slogan cancels is to try and fill in the missing information. The series pictured shows a complete run of 7 days from Saturday, January 14 - Friday, January 20, 1961; January 14 being the earliest date in my collection.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 28, 2023 23:47:23 GMT
peterPeter, do we have knowledge or images of a typical machine cover slogan printer?
And, what records were accessed by Occleshaw and Whitaker to create these monographs?
I note, your Mildura slogans above, the CDS part of the slogan, (Type 4) was used between 6th April 1960, and 21st October 1970
(Source G G Salt)
I am assuming to create the slogan, Aust Post simply attached a molded typeface slug, into the machine? Have you any information on that please?
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Post by peter on Oct 29, 2023 10:37:06 GMT
rod222, There were various models of cancelling machines used in Australia over the years - e.g. Krag, Hey Dolphin, Universal DD, Universal GG, etc. These were the same machines used in many countries and a Google search will furnish you with various images of the machines and die arrangements. In Volume 2 of Occleshaw's catalogue, photographs of some of these models appear in Appendix K, but the reproduction quality is poor. In the period that interests me, pre-1980, the PMG Department sought tenders for the engraving of metal slugs that slotted into the machines in use. These were curved, in order to roll the letters through the machine. Each was individually engraved, so some subtle (and occasionally not so subtle) differences existed within a single contract supply. Once the slogans became worn, new tenders were sought, and contracts may have been awarded to different companies to the original. This invited more differences. Occleshaw used official PMG documents and correspondence in his research. There are various photostat examples scattered throughout his volumes. Until the late 1980s, there was a national schedule of when slogans were used and these are the dates that Occleshaw documents, noting when examples have been seen or reported significantly outside of the official dates. Other than oversight, error, or whim, one of the main reasons why a postmaster at an office might use a slogan out of course was due to not having enough of the required slogan to furnish all cancelling machines. Thank you for the additional information on the Mildura CDS.
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Post by peter on Oct 30, 2023 6:04:58 GMT
Organized as per the the Mildura machine date slug types shown in the previous post, here are some examples of Mildura slogans from my collection. Note the various positions the date and year would be placed in slug Type 22/22a. Type 1
Type 2
Type 3
Type 4
Type 5
Type 20
Type 21? (Not listed in Salt as "Shows Price")
Type 22
Type 22a (Black, No Price)
Type 22a (Red, No Price)
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Post by rod222 on Oct 30, 2023 6:49:50 GMT
Someone has been a busy lad!
Whoa! what is going on with Type 2 ? We have an inverted CDS (Circular Date Stamp) (Date Case?) slug ? (Outer Rings and Text inverted)
Type 21 with price... a new discovery since Salt monograph?
Types 1, 2, 20, and 21 are all, "Continuous Roller" Machine Cancels all others are "Trip" Machine cancels
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Post by peter on Oct 30, 2023 6:52:18 GMT
Someone has been a busy lad!
Whoa! what is going on with Type 2 ? We have an inverted CDS (Circular Date Stamp) (Date Case?) slug ?
Type 21 with price... a new discovery since Salt monograph?
Types 1, 2, 20, and 21 are all, "Continuous Roller" Machine Cancels all others are "Trip" Machine cancels You missed the different dates in the Type 20 example
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Post by rod222 on Oct 30, 2023 6:58:08 GMT
Quote You missed the different dates in the Type 20 example
Wow! Indeed.
With Type 21, I would respectfully question "missing price", There seems to be a price slug position that is somewhat blurred? or voided? in Salt's roneod? (duplication machine) impression.
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Post by rod222 on Oct 31, 2023 2:02:57 GMT
Earliest Known Slogan IN NAME OF THE LIVING KING SPEED
was used in Egypt 3000 BC on letters from court officials, which had red or blue Pmks of the place of origin.
Author: Mr. L.T. Sardone, of Vaucluse, NSW in 1953
Australia's first Slogan 8th November 1917
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Post by peter on Oct 31, 2023 3:32:41 GMT
Thanks rod222 , appreciate you digging into your reference library. That Tapp book is one I don't have. I think the source of the image in Tapp might be the same as used by Occleshaw. The full set of dates for Mildura's 1961 "ROTARY INTERNATIONAL DISTRICT 250 CONFERENCE" slogan in my collection are: - January: 14 (Sat) - 20 (Fri)
- February: 2 (Thu), 3 (Fri), 22 (Wed), 24 (Fri)
- March: 2 (Thu), 8 (Wed)
- April: 11 (Tue)
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Post by rod222 on Oct 31, 2023 3:59:35 GMT
peterFor your reference, Tapp's PREVENT BUSH FIRES (8 listed)
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Post by peter on Oct 31, 2023 5:33:51 GMT
MILDURA AIR DISPLAY SUNDAY 30TH. SEPT. In a "Parliamentary Summary" in The Canberra Times on August 9, 1962, it was reported that the Minister for Air, Mr. Fairbairn, was contemplating the organization of an R.A.A.F. (Royal Australian Air Force) display in Mildura the following month. This commitment was made during his first parliamentary question-and-answer session in the House after his appointment to the Cabinet. Fortunately, the necessary arrangements could be made, leaving enough time to produce the following slogan cancel. The slogan was used at Mildura PO from September 10th to the 29th, the day before the display on Sunday, September 30th.
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Post by peter on Oct 31, 2023 10:15:43 GMT
Sundry Information for the Aussie Slogan Collector. (Tapp)
For a detailed study of the postbox cancels, I highly recommend The Postbox Cancels of Brisbane, Sydney and Perth, by J. C. Smith. These were the only Australian postal authorities to use date stamps to indicate the place of posting.
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Post by JeffS on Nov 1, 2023 22:13:27 GMT
I am beyond amazed at the depth and detail that students and collectors of Australian slogan cancels have taken the subject. When I saw the Tapp listing of BUSH FIRES slogans I recalled one in my lot. A careful eye can see that it does not match, notibally the structure of the lettering, the alignment of the point of the letter V in PREVENT, and the full line at the top of the slogan. I suspect that the Tapp listing was not intended to be complete and that other varieties are known in other collections and studies. Non the less, I simply wished to participate in the listing.
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Post by peter on Nov 1, 2023 23:19:50 GMT
Hi JeffS , The thing about these slogan cancels is that they were all individually engraved by hand. The result being that every die was slightly different from the others. I usually only categorize my collection where there are substantial changes in the design, such as in the three Bush Fire slogans I showed earlier - i.e. boxed, large lettering, and small lettering. When I am trying to identify the usage of specific dies (not often!), then these small individual die differences become important.
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Post by rod222 on Nov 2, 2023 1:59:13 GMT
JeffS A careful eye can see that it does not match, A keen eye, there Jeff Mr Tapp claims to have 90% of all known Australian Slogans to 1967
Now here's the rub, this PREVENT BUSH FIRES (no 25) was still current after 1967
So this slogan was current for 35 years !
The slogan's resume shows.... (2) = 2 lines, GU = General usage (All State GPO's and various State Post Offices) Introduced 1932 SC= Still current (at publication of monograph), Earliest 2nd November 1932 Latest 6th March 1967
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Post by peter on Nov 2, 2023 3:35:47 GMT
The PREVENT BUSH FIRES slogan was still in use, and new dies being produced when Occleshaw complete his catalogue in 1989. Such is its longevity that he devotes 10 pages to the slogan. In many ways this slogan is very important to Australia's postal history. After numerous rejections, it was the first to be approved after a reconsideration of government policy towards the type of slogans it permitted. The ramifications of this change in policy should not be underestimated. Shortly after, in the same year of 1932, under this more liberal policy, the PMG approved the controversial OBSERVE SUNDAY slogan, opening the door to a debate on, as one newspaper expressed it, the "Commonwealth's functions as advisers on other spheres than the temporal."
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Post by peter on Nov 3, 2023 3:55:25 GMT
In the 1950-60s, there were a dedicated group of collectors of Australian short-term postal slogans. Amongst this group, names such as L.O. Harper of Mirrool, G. Fantl of Five Dock, and D.E.C. Garrard of Lambton, have survived on intact covers that have come onto the market. Another was A. Kino of St. Kilda, Victoria. I particularly like his covers as he had the foresight to place the stamp where it did not interfere with the slogan itself. The pictured Kino cover is one such example. This Tamworth FESTIVAL OF LIGHT slogan was struck on this day (November 3) in 1959. This was the first year for a slogan promoting the Festival of Light, and it was used from 12 October to 7 November, 1959. Each year the festival fell on different dates, so for each subsequent year until the last slogan cancel for this event in 1963, a new die had to be engraved. The first Tamworth Festival of Light was held in April 1958; changing to an October or November date for the years that followed. It was reportedly, Tamworth's first attempt at bringing tourism to Tamworth. Tamworth is known by a few titles - "Country Music Capital of Australia" and "National Equine Capital of Australia" being two. However, more pertinent to this slogan, is the title "First town of Lights"; Tamworth being the first municipality in Australia, and the Southern Hemisphere, to use electricity to light it's streets. In total, 52 street lights, over 21 km, illuminated the streets of Tamworth for the first time on November 9, 1888. Melbourne didn't get its first electric street lights until 1894, while Sydney had to wait until 1904.
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Post by peter on Nov 10, 2023 2:22:09 GMT
Australia's Bilingual Trade Promotion Slogans (1959~)
In the next several posts I'll look at Australia's Bilingual Trade Promotion Slogans in English and French (the international postal language) that were used intermittently from 1959, and prolifically in the period 1965-70. They will be presented in alphabetical order. The slogans are: - AUSTRALIA COUNTRY OF THE FUTURE / AUSTRALIE PAYS DE L'AVENIR
- AUSTRALIA LAND OF SUNSHINE / AUSTRALIE PAYS DU SOLEIL
- AUSTRALIA PRODUCES EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN / PRODUITS DU SOLEIL PRODUITS AUSTRALIENS
- AUSTRALIAN FOOD PRODUCES CHAMPIONS / ALIMENTS AUSTRALIENS NOURRITURE DE CHAMPIONS
AUSTRALIA COUNTRY OF THE FUTURE / AUSTRALIE PAYS DE L'AVENIR Of the AUSTRALIA COUNTRY OF THE FUTURE slogan, there were two basic types: Left Justified text (4 lines) - 3 August 1959 Centralized text (5 lines) - introduced August 1966 Of the dies used in Melbourne, there is a one with a noted kink in the lower frame line.
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