mberry
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Post by mberry on May 26, 2023 10:29:28 GMT
I have a 2016 Scott catalog volume 3 that includes Ireland but it does not include stamped envelopes / postal stationery. Googling this image also does not provide any help. I also tried searching Colnect without any luck.
Does anyone know the Scott number for this stamped envelope?
It does not appear to be a commercial envelope, there is no return address on it. Also, the envelope measures 125 x 183 mm.
Thanks!
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2023 7:56:49 GMT
No luck here, from my Catalogues.
Postal Stationery Saint Patrick blessing the Paschal Fire Circa 1961
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Post by mberry on Oct 5, 2023 9:38:30 GMT
Thanks for checking this rod222!
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Post by philatelia on Oct 5, 2023 10:23:12 GMT
That’s a newer postal stationery item, but too new for my Whyte or Feldman catalogs and Hibernian doesn’t list postal stationery any longer. Ireland uses that same basic St. Patrick paschal fire design on many of the stamped modern postcards and envelopes that I’ve seen from An Post. Thus, it is not a scarce item. Here’s a pic of entires from the 1990s, plus another design from the 80s. LoL An Post drives my spellchecker bananas - it keeps changing “An” to “A”
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rod222
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Post by rod222 on Oct 5, 2023 15:06:18 GMT
Thanks Philatelia, The Catalogue required (I do not have it) is .. The Postal Stationery of Ireland (Including Issues stamped to Order) 1994 Otto Jung Circa 9 Gt brit pounds
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Oct 7, 2023 0:03:46 GMT
Does anyone know the Scott number for this stamped envelope? Scott does list American postal stationery in their catalogue but hasn't included worldwide issues for a very long time - my 1894 (!) edition includes postal stationery but the next one on my bookshelf, the 1927 edition, no longer does. My Hibernian is too new to list Irish postal stationery and my MacDonnell Whyte is too old to show your example, but I do have a Michel catalogue printed in 2000 which covers western European postal stationery. Your indicium had already been used on three separate small envelopes by that time, 1995, 1998 & 1999, all of which served to commemorate St. Patrick's Day. There were also various postcards issued, again listed in Michel as commemorating St. Patrick's Day - the example shown by philatelia is the 1999 issue, which then served a dual purpose of celebrating millennium festivals. Without seeing the entire envelope it isn't possible to definitively identify your example but they can be described easily enough - if there's nothing else printed on your envelope other than the "stamp", it's the 1995 issue, U36. If it has a blue PRIORITY / AERPHOST logo imprinted upon it, then it's the 1998 issue, U37. If it also has "In the event of non-delivery return to" printed in the upper left, then it's U38, the 1999 issue. And if it's newer than 1999 then my catalogue can't help! All three of the above envelopes indicate no value but each of them was denominated at 32p. The envelopes were sold with small collections of greeting cards. In 1999, a large envelope was also sold which included not only greeting cards but also a CD with Irish folk music. I'd gladly get a CD in the mail with Irish folk music! Back in the day, I was a fan of the Green Linnet CD label which released Celtic music, both folk music and popular - perhaps my favourite track here, a blend of both ... Ryan
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Post by rod222 on Oct 7, 2023 0:59:40 GMT
Aha! Finally understood my error, I HAD read the postmark as 1961, hence the query I had by the indicia stating 1978 ..... Strange I thought . Now I see the Postmark is 1981 Ergo, the stationery must date around 1981, discount any 1995 and forward?
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Post by mberry on Oct 7, 2023 13:26:13 GMT
Thanks philatelia, Ryan and rod222 for taking the time to look at this and do the research! There is no other printing on the envelope, the PAR AVION is a sticker. A coworker gave me this, guessing between 1994 and 1998 though I am not sure if she had just received it or had been hanging on to it for awhile. I had read the postmark as 1961 as well but 1981 makes more sense, I do not think the lady that gave me the cover was old enough to have been born in 1961 but it might not have been addressed to her, maybe her mother. Based on the centering, what looks like a 1 could actually be the edge of the year piece and the year could actually end with a 6 not a 1. Here is the full envelope.
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Ryan
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Post by Ryan on Oct 7, 2023 19:11:02 GMT
Thanks philatelia , Ryan and rod222 for taking the time to look at this and do the research! There is no other printing on the envelope, the PAR AVION is a sticker. A coworker gave me this, guessing between 1994 and 1998 though I am not sure if she had just received it or had been hanging on to it for awhile. I had read the postmark as 1961 as well but 1981 makes more sense Since there are no extra printed markings on the envelope, that's the 1995 issue. That pre-stamped design wasn't used before then (never mind in 1981 or 1961). What is seen is the trailing "6" from a 1996 postmark, followed by a marking similar to a square bracket which preceded and followed the year date on Irish machine cancels of the era. Here's a clearer postmark from 1997 nabbed from an image provided by an eBay seller. Ryan
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Post by mberry on Oct 8, 2023 2:09:30 GMT
Thanks again Ryan!! That analysis makes perfect sense. I really appreciate the effort you took with this!
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