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Post by tanker on Sept 2, 2023 17:36:04 GMT
Hi,my first post here.
I bought these stamps online for 89 cents so I really don't think that the stamp has been altered to make less than a dollar so I bought it(all were in the lot) and it is an exact match to the 1/2 cent color.Possible it has been exposed to light for years but that to me would mean under the black cancel ink would be darker,like wearing a t-shirt and getting a sun tan on your arms only.
No idea if there are any others out there like it I can't find any info anywhere about it and thought you guys might know.
P.S I'm just an amatuer and don't see million dollar stuff everytime,I know it's not worth anything really just would like some help on what caused this,wrong ink error or something else,thought you guys might know,please no guesses,I can guess,if you know what it is please say,thanks.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 3, 2023 4:24:35 GMT
Thanks for your post, Greg ( tanker ). It's good to see you navigating the boards! Please let me begin by stating that I have no special expertise in this particular case. That is a really nice-looking shade of orange on a stamp that is supposed to be rose carmine, according to Scott. I think that there is little doubt that this is a color changeling, but I am not sure that simply prolonged exposure to the sun would be able to make this color change. Exposure to sun usually leads to fading of the original color, not darkening. Since yours does not appear faded, but just an unexpected color, my best guess is that the orange color is the result of a chemical treatment of some sort. That's just my opinion, and of course, others are welcome!
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Post by tanker on Sept 3, 2023 15:06:58 GMT
I bought a few of those chemical altered ones before but the cancel was always affected too,puzzled on this one probably just send it in,it was in the bargain bin with the other stamps so that's the reason I bought it,I can't see anyone going to all the trouble to alter the color then add the cancel then just sell it for 89 cents,why not send it themself in and try and fool them ? and the color is actually the 1/2C color perfectly but there should be more found than this one so they will let me know what's up with this one,I'll wait a bit for some replies,getting my next help post ready,got a 612 I think has a good shot,but busy today long weekend so be back later.
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Sept 3, 2023 16:15:30 GMT
Well, Greg ( tanker ), my only further comment about chemically affected stamps is that it is not at all necessarily true that any chemical alteration would affect both the cancel and the printing on the stamp. In the first place, the inks used for cancels and for printing the stamps are completely different types. In the second place, the original idea behind most chemical treatments of stamps was to remove the cancels to enable the fraudulent re-use of the stamps. To this latter point, ideally, the chemical used needed to remove the ink of the cancel without affecting the design of the stamp. There is a thread on the subject of postmark ink here: thestampforum.boards.net/thread/9578/cancellation-postmark-inkBottom line, I don't think that you can reliably assume that both postmark and stamp design have to be affected to conclude that a stamp has been chemically altered. It can easily be that the chemical treatment affects one type of ink but not the other. That's the nature of chemistry. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
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Post by tanker on Sept 3, 2023 16:20:14 GMT
I has some time today but now going out it's labour day weekend be back here this week but did an hour looking around the web and the red color is made darker not lighter by a chemical change,from what I can find(which is not much that's why I'm here).
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Post by tanker on Sept 3, 2023 16:22:04 GMT
I has some time today but now going out it's labour day weekend be back here this week but did an hour looking around the web and the red color is made darker not lighter by a chemical change,from what I can find(which is not much that's why I'm here). Yes you are correct on that I just did an hours research,the chemicals will not affect the cancel to much my mistake,this is great though I am learning and that's the main thing
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 3, 2023 16:39:30 GMT
The ink of the cancel is designed to be virtually indestructible and not capable of removal by washing or chemical application. The whole aim is to prevent cleaning and fraudulent reuse. Whatever happens to the stamp colour, the cancel ink remains pretty constant. It has to be a freak colour changeling. In the 80+ years since these were issued, a print run in the wrong ink must surely produce at least 199 more examples and others would have emerged by now. i have just spent half an hour experimenting with various substances from the kitchen/ Laundry. I bit drastic and have virtually removed the red colour from 2c Prexie. it has been washed, in vinegar, toilet bleach (9% HCL), ceramic hob cleaner , which accounts for the. Pink colour fade in the 1st image and finally concentrated washing up liquid . Picture 2. I ok it is not the sameā¦.. but what remains is strong cancel untouched and the faint image is orange not rose red https://
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Post by JeffS on Sept 3, 2023 21:46:17 GMT
I can hear Alex's wicked laugh coming from the depths of his laboratory, "Mwa-haa-ha-ha!"
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Post by vikingeck on Sept 3, 2023 22:18:42 GMT
I was astonished at the effect of concentrated washing up liquid "FAIRY Platinum" on a second copy of the 2c. Again it removed most of the colour within half a minute ! Didn't turn orange however.
(I had never read the Ingredients label before, a pile of potent stuff, just hope there isn't a build up of residues on my pots and pans Ingredients 15-30% Anionic Surfactants, 5-15% Non-Ionic Surfactants, Benzisothiazolinone, Phenoxyethanol, Perfumes, Hexyl Cinnamal, Linalool)
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Post by tomiseksj on Sept 4, 2023 13:16:53 GMT
tanker , Per your request, I won't venture a guess as to whether this is a true color print error or a color changeling. My understanding is that the Prexie sheet stamps were printed from plates of 400 subjects, in panes of 100, on a Stickney press in which paper was fed in a continuous roll. One of the United States Stamp Society's committees focuses on stamps and postal history of the Prexie era. I recommend you contact the Chair of that committee (Jeffrey Shapiro, dirtyoldcovers AT aol DOT com) to see if the Prexie Era Committee is able to provide an answer to your question.
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Post by tanker on Sept 4, 2023 22:22:32 GMT
Just sent a picture and the info,thanks,will post here what he thinks.
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