philatelia
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Post by philatelia on Feb 20, 2024 17:25:17 GMT
This German stamp with unusual and kinda cool ship cancellation was part of one of my recent purchases. Is anyone familiar with these? I don’t collect Germany so not sure about this one. Any information would be very helpful. Any interest in cancels like this?  |
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Post by franoise on Feb 20, 2024 18:38:24 GMT
Looks like some Finland ship postmarks  |
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Post by philatelia on Feb 20, 2024 20:25:15 GMT
I’ve found a website that has some good info on the Finnish ship figure cancels, but zilch on German stamps with similar cancels. The German may be an odd usage. www.jiv.dk/finland/pm_ship_fig.php |
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Feb 20, 2024 23:52:43 GMT
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Post by PostmasterGS on Feb 21, 2024 0:44:24 GMT
Looks to be a Finnish cancel on a German stamp. Not unheard of on seapost with foreign ports of call.
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 21, 2024 11:30:23 GMT
Possible scenario to explain
The stamp was on an item of mail off a German registered ship, probably written on board , and posted when the ship called at a port in Finland eg Helsinki, as “Ship mail” (paquebot) handed in to the Finnish post office by a ship officer.
Eg Might have been a postcard or letter from a passenger on a cruise ship .
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Post by philatelia on Feb 21, 2024 13:01:49 GMT
Thank you for the answers! The scenario described makes sense on a ship going between ports - ie Passengers from Germany posting covers franked with German stamps. It would interesting to see the entire cover to see the markings and if they were surcharged.
I didn’t realize how hazardous travel on the Baltic could be until I read more about these mail ships. An interesting thing was that, while the steamships were faster, they still ran into difficulties. As they were so heavy, they could not easily be pulled out of icebound situations.
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Post by vikingeck on Feb 21, 2024 13:08:45 GMT
Ship mail or Paquebot mail, by UPU regulation landed at the first convenient port, was accepted with the "foreign stamp" and no extra charge by the Postal system. In this case the German international letter rate of 20pf was accepted by the Finland Post office and would be delivered by them as if it had paid Finnish postage. No surcharge or postage due.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 21, 2024 20:26:34 GMT
Klaseboer Volume 2, Image. Another Ship cancel, on Finland. Perhaps some specialist can Identify?  |
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Post by khj on Feb 21, 2024 22:38:58 GMT
Used in Savonlinna (Nyslott) c1899-1902. Among Finnish ship cancels, this one is very rare. |
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Post by kasvik on Feb 21, 2024 22:47:01 GMT
Klaseboer Volume 2, Image. Another Ship cancel, on Finland. Perhaps some specialist can Identify?
They're cute as can be. If only there was a reference work. I don't collect them much because I wouldn't know what I'm doing.
The Finnish Postal Museum has another E.A. Hellman collection covering these. That's the best thing I've seen. Back in the 1940s and '50s, Hellman called them steamboat cancellations. He identified ten types: www.postimuseo.fi/en/e-a-hellman-finnish-sea-mail-cancellations/ rod222 , yours is a Hellman Type III.
His exhibit makes it pretty clear he didn't know much about their origins or uses. They certainly look to be shipboard, paquebot cancels. Beyond that, it's tempting to surmise, but a wee dram of confirmation would be very appreciated. khj what are you looking at? |
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Post by khj on Feb 21, 2024 23:22:36 GMT
www.jiv.dk/finland/pm_ship_fig.php, which turns out was also previously posted by philatelia. Scroll down to last 2 pics. I am guessing the usage info was garnered over the years from covers with dated cancels that accompanied the ship cancels.
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Post by rod222 on Feb 22, 2024 1:26:44 GMT
These are all new to me,
Just a "heads up" Finland has a large array of "Ferry Stamps"
My first thought these may have been associated.
However, no authors have mentioned these in the links I have read.
Thanks Aaron and Kim for the ID's
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Post by philatelia on Feb 22, 2024 13:06:08 GMT
From one of my recent auction purchases - a few more ship cancels including that German stamp plus one from Estonia. These unusual cancels are just plain fun - amirite?  |
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Post by JeffS on Feb 22, 2024 14:10:36 GMT
From one of my recent auction purchases - a few more ship cancels including that German stamp plus one from Estonia. These unusual cancels are just plain fun - amirite? What a splendid-looking lot! 👍 |
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