Beryllium Guy
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps 1840-1930
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Post by Beryllium Guy on Jun 11, 2023 12:23:24 GMT
Thanks for your post, paul1. It’s an interesting postmark. I think that what appears to be a “T” is actually a Roman numeral “I” with the bottom serif cut off. You can see that the middle figure is offset slightly lower than the adjacent Arabic numerals. Just my opinion, of course, and others are welcome.
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Post by paul1 on Jun 11, 2023 14:04:35 GMT
thanks for your thoughts Beryllium Guy (Chris) and I suspect you are likely quite right, and just to confuse us there appears to be some variation in type face/font for the digit 'one'. Looking again at this particular stamp, you're comments about the Arabic figures for the 10th are also spot on, with serifs at top and bottom, so rather a mystery as to why this occasional variation from Roman to Arabic. Looking at some of the other stamps shown for Switzerland, the digit for 'one' sometimes appears as simply perpendicular without any serifs. I hadn't intended to collect Switzerland, but one of my charity shop ladies had saved a whole batch for me, and the selection is very wide ranging in date. thanks again.
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kasvik
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What I collect: Cancels mostly, especially Sweden Gävle and Lidingö, Switzerland Geneva, Germany Pforzheim
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Post by kasvik on Jun 11, 2023 18:28:09 GMT
It was more the date shown in the post mark that appears unusual perhaps - the second digit which I assume is supposed to be for January, looks more like a letter T. Anyone have any thoughts please? thanks. The city is possibly meant to read Bremgarten?
Hey paul1 Wonderful of the second-hand shop to do that.
For Swiss cancels in the mid-19th, the city name was in the top arc. The bottom arc was blank or indicated processing, like 'Let + Ex' or 'Exp + Let,' (direct delivery, not held at the post office), 'Ambulant' (same deal), 'Filiale' (branch office), or a named sub-station.
This top arc looks like Zurich. The date is 10 I(January) 1872. Beryllium Guy nailed that. The processing time is off the stamp, to right. The bottom arc 'Br + Ex', was used a lot in Basel, Bern and Zurich. 'Br + Ex', or 'Brief Express' , or Briefexped' (one word), all meant direct delivery, not held at the post office. This is the first I have seen 'Bre + Exp', but why not?
But I'm punting, away for the summer, without my reference books. Grrr!
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Post by paul1 on Jun 11, 2023 19:35:29 GMT
thanks kasvik - really appreciate your accurate and very helpful information - obviously I was off-target with this one, though I may have just got the date correct:-) With a new collecting area it's easy to prove the expression 'a little knowledge is dangerous' - with new countries there's always much to learn. As for my charity shop contacts, unfortunately most of these outlets now have their potentially valuable items appraised by folk with some expertise, but it pays to be friendly with the ladies and sometimes I strike lucky.
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anglobob
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What I collect: France and French Colonies,French cinderellas British Commonwealth QE2
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Post by anglobob on Jun 11, 2023 20:17:46 GMT
paul1 ... Quote...it pays to be friendly with the ladies and sometimes I strike lucky... Are you talking about stamps ?? Anglobob
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Post by paul1 on Jun 11, 2023 20:27:19 GMT
do you know that potential risque double entendre escaped my radar completely - it's usually the sort of thing I'd comment on - it's latish and rather humid here so brain probably not functioning too well. In practice, there are other collectors who frequent my 'patch', so I'm up against competition. But, unpredictability is all part of the fun.
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cursus
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Posts: 1,773
What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Jun 11, 2023 20:40:50 GMT
It used to be quite normal Up to 1970s in Europe to indicate the month by using Roman numbers. And, so, we're taught at school. So, January 5th, 1959, was: "5/I/59". On the other hand,in Southern Europe "Ambulant" stands for "travelling post office". In many ways, Switzerland, IS very close to Italy & France.
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hrdoktorx
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What I collect: France (and French territories), Africa, Canada, USA, Germany, Guatemala, stamps about science, flags, maps, stamps on stamps...
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Post by hrdoktorx on Jul 19, 2023 14:18:27 GMT
New laser-cut pattern stamp from Switzerland that struck my fancy:
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Post by paul1 on Jul 23, 2023 19:17:30 GMT
an enjoyable afternoon preparing my loose, off paper, collection of Helvetia ready for their stock book - now have neck and shoulder ache from too much sitting in one position and flexing just my right arm and shoulder pulling off hinges - nonetheless more enjoyable than I imagined - I've not done this country before. Why ? I hear you ask - or perhaps you didn't;-);-)Hadn't realized how striking some of the images are, and like France, Spain and Portugal - they look to be more reflective of art movements such as nouveau and deco, than the less imaginative British and States issues - so here are a few favourites that I spotted during this afternoon's ramble through Switzerland, some of which are instantly recognizable. Date wise they stretch from the beginning of C20 to almost the end - the delicacy of art nouveau to the grotesque, and William Tell with his mammoth crossbow always gets a smile.
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cursus
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Posts: 1,773
What I collect: Catalan Cinderellas. Used Switzerland, UK, Scandinavia, Germany & Austria. Postal History of Barcelona & Estonia. Catalonia pictorial postmarks.
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Post by cursus on Nov 29, 2023 8:45:13 GMT
2018: Mountain range
2022 Rivers
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Post by viking1234 on Nov 29, 2023 12:24:39 GMT
Conference of desarmament Geneve 1932
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rod222
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What I collect: Worldwide Stamps, Ephemera and Catalogues
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Post by rod222 on Dec 29, 2023 1:06:44 GMT
@kasvik Thanks Aaron ! not seen those issues before. Being a Scott aficionado, I accept all their quirks, however, I am disappointed they have not mentioned them, as they usually do with things like this.
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